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Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

They didn't "steal" it, and Iran is not Afghanistan.

It helps to get your facts straight and maintain the contextual integrity of the statement you are quoting before attempting to discredit that statement.

Accordingly, "Iran guided the CIA's "lost" stealth drone to an intact landing inside hostile territory by exploiting a navigational weakness long-known to the US military, according to an Iranian engineer now working on the captured drone's systems inside Iran... Western military experts and a number of published papers on GPS spoofing indicate that the scenario described by the Iranian engineer is plausible. "Even modern combat-grade GPS [is] very susceptible” to manipulation, says former US Navy electronic warfare specialist Robert Densmore, adding that it is “certainly possible” to recalibrate the GPS on a drone so that it flies on a different course. “I wouldn't say it's easy, but the technology is there. The US military has sought for years to fortify or find alternatives to the GPS system of satellites, which are used for both military and civilian purposes. In 2003, a “Vulnerability Assessment Team” at Los Alamos National Laboratory published research explaining how weak GPS signals were easily overwhelmed with a stronger local signal." Top US officials said in 2009 that they were working to encrypt all drone data streams in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan – after finding militant laptops loaded with days' worth of data in Iraq – and acknowledged that they were "subject to listening and exploitation." Iran hijacked US drone, says Iranian engineer CSMonitor.com
 
I have similarly read that the drones use internal navigation because of the susceptibility of the GPS signal to spoofing. So it boils down to credibility... and offhand I'm not sure an Iranian engineer has a lot of that.

Spoofing a GPS signal is one thing... taking over the flight controls of the drone is quite another.

Further, there is supposedly satellite photography that the drone lay in place for a day or two before the Iranians 'discovered' it.

Iran–U.S. RQ-170 incident (Wikipedia)
 
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Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology.

Gingrich may think Afghan is US colony and he is the master there. It indicates how arrogant and ignorant the US politicians are.

In US, when a stranger broke into a house and the landlord shot him, the court would view it as "self defense". US introde into other's homeland, killing and raping, don't respect other people's law and religion. That's because their high ranking officials have pirates' thought.
 
Obama isn't the first to apologize when Americans **** up and won't be the last.


I have no problem apologizing when we actually screw up....it's apologizing when we don't screw up that bugs me.
IMO, Obama threw our servicemembers under the bus.... and to add insult to injury, his apology was not accepted...afghans were still butthurt and rioting.
 
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Mainly because those herders are bound to strap bombs to their chest and blow themselves the **** up to try and kill our troops.


Oh good, so maybe Christians should start blowing up people so the left would coddle them, and shut their damn mouths up about Christianity.
 
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Burn a mountain of Bibles, and Obama wouldn't say a damn word about it.
 
What I fail to understand is why everybody on the left cares so much. Who cares what people in other countries think of us. Let the military do their job. Support the troops.

Makes it a hell of a lot easier to implement our foreign policy when people don't hate us.

I don't even care what people in THIS country think of me. Do you think I give a rat's ass what some goat herders in Afghanistan think about our military?

Maybe you don't, but your opinion is irrelevant. I'd argue that we shouldn't even be there right now, but as long as we're there and we're trying to win a war their, yes, the attitudes of the locals counts for something whether we like it or not.
 
Burn a mountain of Bibles, and Obama wouldn't say a damn word about it.
But the reason is because Christians are milk toast - but bibles and Christians complain a little, but primarily they'll pray for the misguided souls who did such a deed. Muslims (some)march, scream, yell, threaten and kill people, blow themselves and innocents up in protest. Christianity is an easy target, Islam is a risky target.

Guarantee that if Christians (antithetically) went against their teachings and started slaughtering people in the streets for acts against other Christians, we'd see apologies galore. That says something about Islam, Christianity, and society and how we treat these religions differently - and it ain't good.
 
It helps to get your facts straight and maintain the contextual integrity of the statement you are quoting before attempting to discredit that statement.

Accordingly, "Iran guided the CIA's "lost" stealth drone to an intact landing inside hostile territory by exploiting a navigational weakness long-known to the US military, according to an Iranian engineer now working on the captured drone's systems inside Iran... Western military experts and a number of published papers on GPS spoofing indicate that the scenario described by the Iranian engineer is plausible. "Even modern combat-grade GPS [is] very susceptible” to manipulation, says former US Navy electronic warfare specialist Robert Densmore, adding that it is “certainly possible” to recalibrate the GPS on a drone so that it flies on a different course. “I wouldn't say it's easy, but the technology is there. The US military has sought for years to fortify or find alternatives to the GPS system of satellites, which are used for both military and civilian purposes. In 2003, a “Vulnerability Assessment Team” at Los Alamos National Laboratory published research explaining how weak GPS signals were easily overwhelmed with a stronger local signal." Top US officials said in 2009 that they were working to encrypt all drone data streams in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan – after finding militant laptops loaded with days' worth of data in Iraq – and acknowledged that they were "subject to listening and exploitation." Iran hijacked US drone, says Iranian engineer CSMonitor.com

The mystery is far from resolved. From wikipedia:

An Iranian engineer has asserted that the drone was captured by jamming both satellite and land-originated control signals to the UAV, followed up by a spoofing attack, feeding the UAV false GPS data to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its home base in Afghanistan.[17] American aeronautical engineers dispute this, pointing out that as is the case with the MQ-1 Predator, the MQ-9 Reaper, and the Tomahawk (missile), "GPS is not the primary navigation sensor for the RQ-170... The vehicle gets its flight path orders from an inertial navigation system".[18] Inertial navigation continues to be used on military aircraft despite the advent of GPS because GPS signal jamming and spoofing are relatively simple operations.[19] Others[who?] have also noted that based on satellite surveillance of the crashed UAV, it took Iranian authorities several days to discover the wreckage.[citation needed] This is inconsistent with the Iranian claim that the UAV was tricked into landing at a specific location.[citation needed]
 
But the reason is because Christians are milk toast - but bibles and Christians complain a little, but primarily they'll pray for the misguided souls who did such a deed. Muslims (some)march, scream, yell, threaten and kill people, blow themselves and innocents up in protest. Christianity is an easy target, Islam is a risky target.

Guarantee that if Christians (antithetically) went against their teachings and started slaughtering people in the streets for acts against other Christians, we'd see apologies galore. That says something about Islam, Christianity, and society and how we treat these religions differently - and it ain't good.

Many liberals denounce Christians and their theology but remain silent by acts of violence by Muslims who kill Americans, as in this case. No liberal is upset or offended by Muslims who killed two Americans because Korans used by terrorists were burned? Yet the same liberals have no problem with someone burning the American flag because the practice is protected by the US Constitution.

So its OK for President Obama to apologize for Americans burning a religious document but remain silent about the deaths of two Americans whom he sent to Afghanistan to protect American interests abroad?
 
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[...] So its OK for President Obama to apologize for Americans burning a religious document but remain silent about the deaths of two Americans whom he sent to Afghanistan to protect American interests abroad?
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Do these divide and conquer subjects look familiar?

There are similarly worded threads on this forum!

The ideas come from foundations and big business ...

Into the Mainstream

"Are black people inherently less intelligent and more prone to criminality than whites? Are Catholics incapable of self-government? Did the Civil Rights Act of 1964 strip Americans of their freedoms? Does a tiny cabal of Jewish families control international banking? Do interracial relationships have the effect of weakening both races? Are there natural ruling elites who should be governing society?"

Into the Mainstream | Southern Poverty Law Center
 
Read: Fat irrelevant man makes noise. No one cares.

Tell that to the grieving family and friends of the two troops that were killed. You're just too blinded by your partisan hate to give credit to someone who raises a good point.
 
A Has-Been Blowhard makes ignorant criticism of our President.

Im not a Newt supporter but when he's right, he's right. Criticism, yes, ignorant, the only ignorance I see is people like you from the FAR left. Why don't you show some pride for our troops and our counrtry?




Way to go GOP!!
Take the party of Lincoln all the way to hell...

Yes the party of the Republicans that liberated blacks from slavery and are still fighting to keep them free from the Liberal democrats that want to keep the ones in the inner cities enslaved to food stamps so that Libs can remain in power.
 
Im not a Newt supporter but when he's right, he's right. Criticism, yes, ignorant, the only ignorance I see is people like you from the FAR left. Why don't you show some pride for our troops and our counrtry?
A true American would be ashamed of their country's invasion of Afghanistan (as well as Iraq). A fanatic would be unable to make that distinction between right and wrong, so it's really not a issue of ignorance, but of mental health.

As to Newt, of course he is a hypocritical liar (were he president, he'd be apologizing to the Afghans as well). Beware of the Kool Aid... it's addictive.

Yes the party of the Republicans that liberated blacks from slavery and are still fighting to keep them free [...]
:lamo You really jumped the shark there... the North liberated blacks from slavery, and the North gave them civil rights (Act of 1964). Their oppressors and detractors continue, to this day, to be the South (hmmm... where is Newt from?).
 
Karl,

So you think those who supported going into a-stan and stopping aq, are mentally unstable?
 
I frankly can't get over the fanatical reaction to the alleged burning. Whether we apologize or not is far less concerning to me.

The Koran burnings were just the last straw. Afghans are sick of American occupations, bombings, checkpoints, midnight raids on homes, collateral damage, lack of respect for local law, continued hostilities, and support for a corrupt and incompetent government. The Taliban might have sucked, but the current situation is not exactly great either. The issue goes a lot deeper than "The rag-heads are too primitive to understand our enlightened values." As long as we hold this attitude, we will get nowhere.
 
Anyone who believes that apologizing for a mistake is a "sign of weakness" or "surrendering" needs to grow the **** up.
 
Did Gingrich get upset when Pres. G.W.Bush apologized for another burning during his adminisstration ?

Oh, he wasn't running then.

Never mind.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060256370 said:
Many liberals denounce Christians and their theology but remain silent by acts of violence by Muslims who kill Americans, as in this case. No liberal is upset or offended by Muslims who killed two Americans because Korans used by terrorists were burned? Yet the same liberals have no problem with someone burning the American flag because the practice is protected by the US Constitution.

So its OK for President Obama to apologize for Americans burning a religious document but remain silent about the deaths of two Americans whom he sent to Afghanistan to protect American interests abroad?


Let's see where to start in this completely idiotic accusations.

First of all, I am quite upset that 2 service members were killed. I'm more upset at the fact the Afghanistan president did NOT denounce this act further.

Secondly, you compare liberals not upset over flag burning due to the 1st amendment. Servicemembers are held to a different standard and laws than civilians are. Civilians can burn the flag using the 1st amednment, servicemen in uniform cannot. Therefore if a service member cannot exercise their freedom of speech fully in uniform by burning a flag, they sure as hell shouldn't be able to burn the Koran.

Now, I'm not upset over the burning of the Koran because of the reasons it was done. It was done because there was propaganda written on it. Therefore, for me at least, the intent to cause offense is not there. However, they should have consulted with the Afghanistan government about the best way to either destroy the vandalized Korans or get them out of circulation. That is the reason Obama apologized because of the lack of consulting with the Afghanistan government in correctly getting the Korans out of circulation properly.

Yet again the Obama haters will try to feaverishly try to smear anything on Obama without taking a look at all the facts.
 
Let's see where to start in this completely idiotic accusations.

Yet again the Obama haters will try to feaverishly try to smear anything on Obama without taking a look at all the facts.


Great place to start; open mouth, insert foot. Maybe you should read the post and respond to it instead of inserting your own invective.

Just the opposite for the Obama sheeple, facts are optional.
 

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060256370 said:
Many liberals denounce Christians and their theology but remain silent by acts of violence by Muslims who kill Americans, as in this case. No liberal is upset or offended by Muslims who killed two Americans because Korans used by terrorists were burned? Yet the same liberals have no problem with someone burning the American flag because the practice is protected by the US Constitution.

So its OK for President Obama to apologize for Americans burning a religious document but remain silent about the deaths of two Americans whom he sent to Afghanistan to protect American interests abroad?

There is a solution to this. I denounce all religions. Obama's apology for the burning of the Koran was in the best interest of Americans abroad. His apology probably saved lives, despite my opinion that the Koran and other "Holy" books should be burned. I can elaborate on religiosity, but I am trying to stay on topic. Whether the apology was warranted or not, it was needed to prevent even more violent acts against Americans in retaliation.
 
Newt is a certifiable idiot. The main reason for 'apologizing' is to protect our troops in Afghanistan. Thank God Newt will never be President Of The United States. :thumbs:
Why do our troops need guns if they're protected by Obama's apology?
 
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