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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Ok, fine, let Barack Hussein Obama apologize for the accidental burning of the books. But...... Pretty please give us back our drone??????


    Enough said.
    The Afghans stole one of our drones?
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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, for once, i actually agree with Newt.
    the President should have backed up the military in their actions.... their actions were not wrong or incorrect.
    the President should have explained why the actions were not correct instead of immediately going for the apology.

    an apology is tantamount to an admission of guilt.. and i'm sorry, but burning those korans was not wrong...
    the prisoners had already defiled those holy books ..this is something the president should have stated clearly and unequivocally.... he instead took the road of apologizing for our boys actions that were not wrong.
    I guess you don't know how diplomacy works. Obviously the action, right or wrong caused a ruckus. Here's what we know of Obama's apology...

    In a letter sent to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Obama expressed his administration's "regret and apologies over the incident in which religious materials were unintentionally mishandled,"

    Read more: Obama Sends Letter of Apology to Afghan President Karzai - TIME
    What's he supposed to say, "Look your Holy books were defaced, we took it into our own hands to burn them. Tough luck."

    We're in Afghanistan trying to stabilize the government we helped create, and winning the hearts and minds of everyday Afghans. If anything the soldiers should have made sure any evidence wasn't found.

    I think Obama handled it well. Regardless of the outcome he did the right thing.
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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The Afghans stole one of our drones?
    No, Mya doesn't know what they're talking about. The Irainans found one. Since it was supposedly intact, it's not likely they shot it down, but ran out fuel, or malfunctioned? Not sure.

    It may even be a fabrication.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-...-story-2011-12

    is this the real deal? (shaky website)

    http://rt.com/usa/news/iran-drone-plane-craft-385/

    More here...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-US_RQ-170_incident
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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The Afghans stole one of our drones?


    You are missing the point.
    Even though the accidental event occurred in Afghanistan , Obama's apology was to all of Islam!



    and... the Iranians stole one of our drones didn't you know that?

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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    the Iranians stole one of our drones didn't you know that
    By "stole" you mean they didn't return it after it crash landed in their country while spying on them.
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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    You are missing the point.
    Even though the accidental event occurred in Afghanistan , Obama's apology was to all of Islam!
    Obama's apology was delivered to Karzai. Even if you think it was to all of Islam, so what? Afghanistan doesn't have the downed drone.

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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    If...one American soldier comes home alive rather than dead...would this apology be acceptable?


    If your answer is NO...I submit you are not worthy of being called an American!

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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    Obama's apology was delivered to Karzai. Even if you think it was to all of Islam, so what? Afghanistan doesn't have the downed drone.
    You edited the poster's quote. She rightly cited that Iran had this drone and Afghanistan was where the accident occurrence (Koran burning) took place...

    Nonetheless, I think Gingrich is a windbag. There is nothing that this crook could say that would make me beleive him based upon his bad acts. "Newt Gingrich (R-GA), the Speaker of the House, was accused of financial improprieties leading to House reprimand and $300,000 in sanctions leading to his resignation (1997)"

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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    You edited the poster's quote. She rightly cited that Iran had this drone and Afghanistan was where the accident occurrence (Koran burning) took place...

    Nonetheless, I think Gingrich is a windbag. There is nothing that this crook could say that would make me beleive him based upon his bad acts. "Newt Gingrich (R-GA), the Speaker of the House, was accused of financial improprieties leading to House reprimand and $300,000 in sanctions leading to his resignation (1997)"
    You must have missed their post either where they implied Obama should ask Afghanistan to return the drone.

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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Obama isn't the first to apologize when Americans **** up and won't be the last.

    Presidential apologies, especially to other countries, don’t always come easily. President George W. Bush apologized for the abuse of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib prison and for a soldier who had used a Quran for target practice. He did the same to China over a spy plane incident. President Clinton also apologized to China for a bombing of their embassy in Belgrade.

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