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Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

How is protecting our troops by using a wee bit of diplomacy selling them out ?
 
Ok, fine, let Barack Hussein Obama apologize for the accidental burning of the books. But...... Pretty please give us back our drone??????


Enough said. :roll: :x
 
AndyCothran said:
How is protecting our troops by using a wee bit of diplomacy selling them out ?
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He's apologizing for their actions, like they did something wrong. Our troops are out there doing the best they can. It's war. **** happens.
 
An apology is not a sign of weakness, and whether it helps or not it certainly doesn't hurt. The only reason I see here for not offering an apology and in some way to help lessen the protests or any potential or actual violence, is pride. Pride is irrelevant to us, and your pride is irrelevant to anything. An apology isn't selling out the troops, supporting the troops doesn't mean believing they can do no wrong.

Regardless of what you think of the Afghan peoples or their customs, the strategic fact of the situation remains that their opinion of Americans is a vital part of the objective of this war. If this war is about removing a potential threat from the ungoverned areas of Afghanistan, than making the people like Americans is important to remove any desire to attack us.

In the short term, anything that would help to decrease the current violence and potential for violence is helpful. Pride is not worth the life of a Solider, neither should we disregard any potential help that even if its not a total solution. No one is suggesting that an apology will end all violence, so I don't understand why that fact should prevent us from doing it if it can help.
 
Wiseone said:
An apology is not a sign of weakness, and whether it helps or not it certainly doesn't hurt. The only reason I see here for not offering an apology and in some way to help lessen the protests or any potential or actual violence, is pride. Pride is irrelevant to us, and your pride is irrelevant to anything. An apology isn't selling out the troops, supporting the troops doesn't mean believing they can do no wrong.

Regardless of what you think of the Afghan peoples or their customs, the strategic fact of the situation remains that their opinion of Americans is a vital part of the objective of this war. If this war is about removing a potential threat from the ungoverned areas of Afghanistan, than making the people like Americans is important to remove any desire to attack us.

In the short term, anything that would help to decrease the current violence and potential for violence is helpful. Pride is not worth the life of a Solider, neither should we disregard any potential help that even if its not a total solution. No one is suggesting that an apology will end all violence, so I don't understand why that fact should prevent us from doing it if it can help.
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Thank you!! I've been repeating this for the past 2 weeks to little avail.

I can always count on your posts to contain a relatively strong dose of common sense, compared to all the other partisan hackery going on.
 
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Mya said:
Ok, fine, let Barack Hussein Obama apologize for the accidental burning of the books. But...... Pretty please give us back our drone??????


Enough said. :roll: :x
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The Afghans stole one of our drones?
 
Thrilla said:
well, for once, i actually agree with Newt.
the President should have backed up the military in their actions.... their actions were not wrong or incorrect.
the President should have explained why the actions were not correct instead of immediately going for the apology.

an apology is tantamount to an admission of guilt.. and i'm sorry, but burning those korans was not wrong...
the prisoners had already defiled those holy books ..this is something the president should have stated clearly and unequivocally.... he instead took the road of apologizing for our boys actions that were not wrong.
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I guess you don't know how diplomacy works. Obviously the action, right or wrong caused a ruckus. Here's what we know of Obama's apology...

In a letter sent to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Obama expressed his administration's "regret and apologies over the incident in which religious materials were unintentionally mishandled,"

Read more: Obama Sends Letter of Apology to Afghan President Karzai - TIME
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What's he supposed to say, "Look your Holy books were defaced, we took it into our own hands to burn them. Tough luck."

We're in Afghanistan trying to stabilize the government we helped create, and winning the hearts and minds of everyday Afghans. If anything the soldiers should have made sure any evidence wasn't found.

I think Obama handled it well. Regardless of the outcome he did the right thing.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
The Afghans stole one of our drones?
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No, Mya doesn't know what they're talking about. The Irainans found one. Since it was supposedly intact, it's not likely they shot it down, but ran out fuel, or malfunctioned? Not sure.

It may even be a fabrication.

http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-shot-down-us-drone-story-2011-12

is this the real deal? (shaky website)

http://rt.com/usa/news/iran-drone-plane-craft-385/

More here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-US_RQ-170_incident
 
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StillBallin75 said:
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You are missing the point.
Even though the accidental event occurred in Afghanistan , Obama's apology was to all of Islam!



and... the Iranians stole one of our drones didn't you know that?:wink2::2razz:
 
Mya said:
You are missing the point.
Even though the accidental event occurred in Afghanistan , Obama's apology was to all of Islam!
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Obama's apology was delivered to Karzai. Even if you think it was to all of Islam, so what? Afghanistan doesn't have the downed drone.
 
If...one American soldier comes home alive rather than dead...would this apology be acceptable?


If your answer is NO...I submit you are not worthy of being called an American!
 
Hikertrash said:
Obama's apology was delivered to Karzai. Even if you think it was to all of Islam, so what? Afghanistan doesn't have the downed drone.
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You edited the poster's quote. She rightly cited that Iran had this drone and Afghanistan was where the accident occurrence (Koran burning) took place...:roll:

Nonetheless, I think Gingrich is a windbag. There is nothing that this crook could say that would make me beleive him based upon his bad acts. "Newt Gingrich (R-GA), the Speaker of the House, was accused of financial improprieties leading to House reprimand and $300,000 in sanctions leading to his resignation (1997)"
 
Connery said:
You edited the poster's quote. She rightly cited that Iran had this drone and Afghanistan was where the accident occurrence (Koran burning) took place...:roll:

Nonetheless, I think Gingrich is a windbag. There is nothing that this crook could say that would make me beleive him based upon his bad acts. "Newt Gingrich (R-GA), the Speaker of the House, was accused of financial improprieties leading to House reprimand and $300,000 in sanctions leading to his resignation (1997)"
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You must have missed their post either where they implied Obama should ask Afghanistan to return the drone.
 
Obama isn't the first to apologize when Americans **** up and won't be the last.

Presidential apologies, especially to other countries, don’t always come easily. President George W. Bush apologized for the abuse of Iraqis at Abu Ghraib prison and for a soldier who had used a Quran for target practice. He did the same to China over a spy plane incident. President Clinton also apologized to China for a bombing of their embassy in Belgrade.
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Hikertrash said:
You must have missed their post either where they implied Obama should ask Afghanistan to return the drone.
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The intent of the post was very clear to me.
 
I have no problem with Obama apologizing for the incident, after all we're supposed to be partners in diplomacy with the new Afghan government, it was simply a gesture of good faith and to ensure him that no harm was intended. If the apology came after troops were killed by civilians, well that's another story..
 
You don't have a 2 party system of government anymore, they're all Republicans! These Democrats abandoned the teacher unions, gave the Rich everything and kept all the Bush warmongering going.

It is not 1992. So all this brainwashing in the media about abortion and Newt is the boogyman so we all have to line up like good little voters and vote Democrat to defeat the "evil" religious zealots is a smokescreen at best.

You have to admit, that the Corp. Media and Talk Radio are always avoiding the war issues by substituting them with these bogus religion topics. The real issue the media should discuss is the wars themselves are bad policy.
 
Mya said:
You are missing the point.
Even though the accidental event occurred in Afghanistan , Obama's apology was to all of Islam!
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Okay...so what? Even if true, Korans were burned. The importance of the Koran isn't to Afghan Muslims alone.

and... the Iranians stole one of our drones didn't you know that?:wink2::2razz:
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They didn't "steal" it, and Iran is not Afghanistan.
 
^^^

**** off
 
Mya said:
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**** off
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Oh look, someone resorting to insults because they got corrected for mistaking Afghanistan and Iran. Nice attitude one got there. Oh, and probably has terrible reading comprehension, from the looks of violating forum rules. :doh
 
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