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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post



    They didn't "steal" it, and Iran is not Afghanistan.
    It helps to get your facts straight and maintain the contextual integrity of the statement you are quoting before attempting to discredit that statement.

    Accordingly, "Iran guided the CIA's "lost" stealth drone to an intact landing inside hostile territory by exploiting a navigational weakness long-known to the US military, according to an Iranian engineer now working on the captured drone's systems inside Iran... Western military experts and a number of published papers on GPS spoofing indicate that the scenario described by the Iranian engineer is plausible. "Even modern combat-grade GPS [is] very susceptible” to manipulation, says former US Navy electronic warfare specialist Robert Densmore, adding that it is “certainly possible” to recalibrate the GPS on a drone so that it flies on a different course. “I wouldn't say it's easy, but the technology is there. The US military has sought for years to fortify or find alternatives to the GPS system of satellites, which are used for both military and civilian purposes. In 2003, a “Vulnerability Assessment Team” at Los Alamos National Laboratory published research explaining how weak GPS signals were easily overwhelmed with a stronger local signal." Top US officials said in 2009 that they were working to encrypt all drone data streams in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan – after finding militant laptops loaded with days' worth of data in Iraq – and acknowledged that they were "subject to listening and exploitation." Iran hijacked US drone, says Iranian engineer CSMonitor.com

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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    I have similarly read that the drones use internal navigation because of the susceptibility of the GPS signal to spoofing. So it boils down to credibility... and offhand I'm not sure an Iranian engineer has a lot of that.

    Spoofing a GPS signal is one thing... taking over the flight controls of the drone is quite another.

    Further, there is supposedly satellite photography that the drone lay in place for a day or two before the Iranians 'discovered' it.

    Iran–U.S. RQ-170 incident (Wikipedia)
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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology.
    Gingrich may think Afghan is US colony and he is the master there. It indicates how arrogant and ignorant the US politicians are.

    In US, when a stranger broke into a house and the landlord shot him, the court would view it as "self defense". US introde into other's homeland, killing and raping, don't respect other people's law and religion. That's because their high ranking officials have pirates' thought.

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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    Obama isn't the first to apologize when Americans **** up and won't be the last.

    I have no problem apologizing when we actually screw up....it's apologizing when we don't screw up that bugs me.
    IMO, Obama threw our servicemembers under the bus.... and to add insult to injury, his apology was not accepted...afghans were still butthurt and rioting.

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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Mainly because those herders are bound to strap bombs to their chest and blow themselves the **** up to try and kill our troops.

    Oh good, so maybe Christians should start blowing up people so the left would coddle them, and shut their damn mouths up about Christianity.
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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Burn a mountain of Bibles, and Obama wouldn't say a damn word about it.
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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What I fail to understand is why everybody on the left cares so much. Who cares what people in other countries think of us. Let the military do their job. Support the troops.
    Makes it a hell of a lot easier to implement our foreign policy when people don't hate us.

    I don't even care what people in THIS country think of me. Do you think I give a rat's ass what some goat herders in Afghanistan think about our military?
    Maybe you don't, but your opinion is irrelevant. I'd argue that we shouldn't even be there right now, but as long as we're there and we're trying to win a war their, yes, the attitudes of the locals counts for something whether we like it or not.
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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Burn a mountain of Bibles, and Obama wouldn't say a damn word about it.
    But the reason is because Christians are milk toast - but bibles and Christians complain a little, but primarily they'll pray for the misguided souls who did such a deed. Muslims (some)march, scream, yell, threaten and kill people, blow themselves and innocents up in protest. Christianity is an easy target, Islam is a risky target.

    Guarantee that if Christians (antithetically) went against their teachings and started slaughtering people in the streets for acts against other Christians, we'd see apologies galore. That says something about Islam, Christianity, and society and how we treat these religions differently - and it ain't good.
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    Re: Gingrich Slams Obama for Koran Apology

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    It helps to get your facts straight and maintain the contextual integrity of the statement you are quoting before attempting to discredit that statement.

    Accordingly, "Iran guided the CIA's "lost" stealth drone to an intact landing inside hostile territory by exploiting a navigational weakness long-known to the US military, according to an Iranian engineer now working on the captured drone's systems inside Iran... Western military experts and a number of published papers on GPS spoofing indicate that the scenario described by the Iranian engineer is plausible. "Even modern combat-grade GPS [is] very susceptible” to manipulation, says former US Navy electronic warfare specialist Robert Densmore, adding that it is “certainly possible” to recalibrate the GPS on a drone so that it flies on a different course. “I wouldn't say it's easy, but the technology is there. The US military has sought for years to fortify or find alternatives to the GPS system of satellites, which are used for both military and civilian purposes. In 2003, a “Vulnerability Assessment Team” at Los Alamos National Laboratory published research explaining how weak GPS signals were easily overwhelmed with a stronger local signal." Top US officials said in 2009 that they were working to encrypt all drone data streams in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan – after finding militant laptops loaded with days' worth of data in Iraq – and acknowledged that they were "subject to listening and exploitation." Iran hijacked US drone, says Iranian engineer CSMonitor.com
    The mystery is far from resolved. From wikipedia:

    An Iranian engineer has asserted that the drone was captured by jamming both satellite and land-originated control signals to the UAV, followed up by a spoofing attack, feeding the UAV false GPS data to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its home base in Afghanistan.[17] American aeronautical engineers dispute this, pointing out that as is the case with the MQ-1 Predator, the MQ-9 Reaper, and the Tomahawk (missile), "GPS is not the primary navigation sensor for the RQ-170... The vehicle gets its flight path orders from an inertial navigation system".[18] Inertial navigation continues to be used on military aircraft despite the advent of GPS because GPS signal jamming and spoofing are relatively simple operations.[19] Others[who?] have also noted that based on satellite surveillance of the crashed UAV, it took Iranian authorities several days to discover the wreckage.[citation needed] This is inconsistent with the Iranian claim that the UAV was tricked into landing at a specific location.[citation needed]
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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