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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist: Where's the outrage from the Left?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    While I have my doubts about the judge strictly doing his duty, there is a limit as to the offense one must endure before taking matters into his own hands... especially, as in this case, when no actual blows ensued. Most people can be incited to violence given enough effort; those intentionally taking that effort should have a reasonable expectation of the outcome, and should therefore bear at least some of the responsibility for it.
    I do agree that the guy's an ass. I also agree that he shouldn't be surprised if someone confronts him. HOWEVER, if it becomes assault, that assault should still be prosecuted. Circumstantial consideration is fine, but not to the extent of saying therefore I'm throwing it out completely. Assault is still illegal, and the court shouldn't leave that fuzzy, saying, well, it's only illegal sometimes . . . you just have to guess at what times those are. If the assailant were found guilty of a misdemeanor assault and released with a $10 fine, that would be okay, but to say, oh, no problem, it's okay to assault this guy because he's a jerk leaves the entire concept in question. When, exactly, is it okay to assault someone? What are the criteria for determining jerkness?

    Like, for example, I live in the DC area, and I'm an amateur photographer. When I've gone down and photographed rallys and protests, there are always counter protests. Should it be okay for a mob of antiwar protesters to attack "protest warriors" in a clearly antagonistic counter-protest? I mean, they went down there specifically because anti-war people would be there. That sounds like it falls under this new definition of when the law doesn't apply. I think those people were huge assholes for intentionally going down to antagonize people. Yet, they had police protection and the right to be assholes. Same with fundi Christians protesting during a massive protest against the Israeli attack on Lebanon. Would it have been okay to attack them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Mob violence, throwing bricks at people (ouch), and vigilante justice in general are wrong. That's not the issue. There is a distinction between these things and the very mild confrontation that occurred in this case.

    Where do we draw the line?
    Physical contact. There's no reason to lay your hands on someone else if they haven't agreed.

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    Should they have the police line protecting them, when they have signs about Mohammad being a false prophet at a rally for Lebanon? Or should the mob be allowed to give them a massive beat-down?

    If not, then where does this leave that judges decision?

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist: Where's the outrage from the Left?

    One can not go through life choking people nilly willy like that!

    That judge was wrong! he should not have dismissed harassment charges against the Muslim defendant!

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    I have sympathy for the Muslim. Religious people (of any faith) shouldn't have to be subjected to atheist hate speech. Whether he broke the law or not, I'm not sure, but my sympathy goes to the Muslim - at least they stand for something, atheism is pure social apathy and misanthropy.

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist: Where's the outrage from the Left?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    One can not go through life choking people nilly willy like that!

    That judge was wrong! he should not have dismissed harassment charges against the Muslim defendant!
    I think it will be overturned and the judge will receive a reprimand.

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    I have sympathy for the Muslim. Religious people (of any faith) shouldn't have to be subjected to atheist hate speech. Whether he broke the law or not, I'm not sure, but my sympathy goes to the Muslim - at least they stand for something, atheism is pure social apathy and misanthropy.

    No one is forcing them to listen. He could have walked away instead of acting like an animal.

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist: Where's the outrage from the Left?

    Quote Originally Posted by BooRadley View Post

    Physical contact. There's no reason to lay your hands on someone else if they haven't agreed.
    So if you pat a kid on the back for doing well in school, is that assault? If a woman touches you on the arm when she's making a point, is she assaulting you?

    If you're out with a girl, do you need her to explicitly give you permission to kiss her?

    Again, where do you draw the line?



    Quote Originally Posted by BooRadley View Post

    Should they have the police line protecting them, when they have signs about Mohammad being a false prophet at a rally for Lebanon? Or should the mob be allowed to give them a massive beat-down?

    If not, then where does this leave that judges decision?
    Whether the police are present is up to the discretion of the police. I would think they would want to be there to stop any potential violence, as they were evidently there in the case of the muslim/atheist.

    Again, a "massive beat-down" is not descriptive of what happened in this case. This was a minor confrontation.

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    I have sympathy for the Muslim. Religious people (of any faith) shouldn't have to be subjected to atheist hate speech. Whether he broke the law or not, I'm not sure, but my sympathy goes to the Muslim - at least they stand for something, atheism is pure social apathy and misanthropy.

    So you think its OK to grab somebody by the throat and choke him just like that? because he doesn't agree with you?

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    I have sympathy for the Muslim. Religious people (of any faith) shouldn't have to be subjected to atheist hate speech. Whether he broke the law or not, I'm not sure, but my sympathy goes to the Muslim - at least they stand for something, atheism is pure social apathy and misanthropy.
    Wearing a costume isn't "hate speech"
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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Wearing a costume isn't "hate speech"
    DAMNIT! I knew I was doing something wrong when trying to piss people off!
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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    So you think its OK to grab somebody by the throat and choke him just like that? because he doesn't agree with you?
    Legally no, but morally I don't have too much of a problem with it. Just like morally I wouldn't be that offended if the Fred Phelps family got beat up protesting a funeral. That's all that the "new atheism" movement is - a hate movement, and that's all they stand for, hatred of those who actually have morality.

    I'm glad the judge told the little punk the truth as well - that the Founders would be insulted by a sociopath like him claiming that the colonists fought and died for his "right" to wear a "Zombie Muhmammed" or Pope costume.
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