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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    Legally no, but morally I don't have too much of a problem with it. Just like morally I wouldn't be that offended if the Fred Phelps family got beat up protesting a funeral. That's all that the "new atheism" movement is - a hate movement, and that's all they stand for, hatred of religion.
    Not hatred of religion, but, disdain for extremists and their tactics, much like the fellow who thought it was ok to commit a battery on the victim.

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    Legally no, but morally I don't have too much of a problem with it. Just like morally I wouldn't be that offended if the Fred Phelps family got beat up protesting a funeral. That's all that the "new atheism" movement is - a hate movement, and that's all they stand for, hatred of those who actually have morality.
    I can't tell if you're serious or if you're trolling, but the blind hypocrisy in your statement is incredible.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Not hatred of religion, but, disdain for extremists and their tactics, much like the fellow who thought it was ok to commit a battery on the victim.
    Then by that standard, Neo-Nazis are only hating "Jewish extremists" when they go around wearing Swastikas and claiming the Holocaust was a hoax.

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Again, a "massive beat-down" is not descriptive of what happened in this case. This was a minor confrontation.
    If the main issue you have is defining assault, then whether or not the victim in this was being a jackass is irrelevant. Put it this way: if an old lady was walking down the street with a sign that said "Have a nice day," and someone came and tried to yank it off her neck, choking her with the chord that it was hanging by, would that be assault? If so, then so is this.

    If not, then, while I disagree with you, I at least see your point and acknowledge it's value.

    If it's assault, then whether or not it was justified assault is the question, and we can stop arguing about the difference between a massive beatdown and what happened here, because the court cannot leave the determination of just punishment up to a mob.

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    Legally no, but morally I don't have too much of a problem with it. Just like morally I wouldn't be that offended if the Fred Phelps family got beat up protesting a funeral. That's all that the "new atheism" movement is - a hate movement, and that's all they stand for, hatred of those who actually have morality.

    I'm glad the judge told the little punk the truth as well - that the Founders would be insulted by a sociopath like him claiming that the colonists fought and died for his "right" to wear a "Zombie Muhmammed" or Pope costume.
    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    I have sympathy for the Muslim. Religious people (of any faith) shouldn't have to be subjected to atheist hate speech. Whether he broke the law or not, I'm not sure, but my sympathy goes to the Muslim - at least they stand for something, atheism is pure social apathy and misanthropy.
    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    Then by that standard, Neo-Nazis are only hating "Jewish extremists" when they go around wearing Swastikas and claiming the Holocaust was a hoax.

    There's so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start, so I'm just not going to . . .

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by BooRadley View Post
    If the main issue you have is defining assault, then whether or not the victim in this was being a jackass is irrelevant. Put it this way: if an old lady was walking down the street with a sign that said "Have a nice day," and someone came and tried to yank it off her neck, choking her with the chord that it was hanging by, would that be assault? If so, then so is this.

    If not, then, while I disagree with you, I at least see your point and acknowledge it's value.

    If it's assault, then whether or not it was justified assault is the question, and we can stop arguing about the difference between a massive beatdown and what happened here, because the court cannot leave the determination of just punishment up to a mob.








    There's so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start, so I'm just not going to . . .
    All I can say is that if the height of atheist "progression" and "intellect" = dancing around in the street in a 'Zombie Muhammed' costume while thinking about all the sex I'm not getting, then I'd rather be a "stupid brainwashed religious person" - who occasionally gets a date too.

    Reminds me of how the KKK prance around with their potbellies and pee-stained bedsheets talking about how much they hate black people and Mexicans, and seriously think they're the "master race"
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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    while thinking about all the sex I'm not getting
    No one cares about all the sex you're not getting.

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    All I can say is that if the height of atheist "progression" and "intellect" = dancing around in the street in a 'Zombie Muhammed' costume while thinking about all the sex I'm not getting, then I'd rather be a "stupid brainwashed religious person" - who occasionally gets a date too.

    Reminds me of how the KKK prance around with their potbellies and pee-stained bedsheets talking about how much they hate black people and Mexicans, and seriously think they're the "master race"
    You are doing exactly what the KKK etc.. do, claiming you are superior b/c or your beliefs.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    You are doing exactly what the KKK etc.. do, claiming you are superior b/c or your beliefs.
    Well the KKK is known for murdering innocent people - one of the foundering members of American Atheists was a convicted murderer and rapist, so they have more in common with the KKK than me.

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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    Well the KKK is known for murdering innocent people - one of the foundering members of American Atheists was a convicted murderer and rapist, so they have more in common with the KKK than me.
    So you're saying that Madalyn Murray O'Hair was a murderer? Are you not aware she was abducted and murdered?

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Offended Muslim chokes atheist, and then ...(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    So you're saying that Madalyn Murray O'Hair was a murderer? Are you not aware she was abducted and murdered?
    No the guy who killed her was one of the original members of American Atheists.

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