• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

Gie said:
Actually if we go by history, Obama will get the blame whether he deserves it or not and lord knows he has left himself wide open to receive it.
Click to expand...

History is not at all clear. NPR had a pretty good report on this yesterday

Higher Gas Prices Cloud Obama's Re-Election Hopes : NPR

the article filled with opinion, concludes with this one

Still, as long as the economy seems to keep improving, Obama probably won't be hurt too much by the attacks "unless gas goes over $5 a gallon," Thurber said.
Click to expand...

and this looks even more closely at politics and past gas price history

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...-gas-pump-prices-leave-obama-running-on-empty

Nate Silver of the FiveThirtyEight blog examined this issue in February 2011 just before the Republican presidential campaigns took off in earnest. It was at a stage when Obama was clashing with congressional Republicans who were accusing his energy policies of contributing to higher prices at the pump.

Silver found there to be, at best, a weak correlation between gas prices and presidential elections though he makes the important point that there isn't as much data as one might want; there have only been 16 presidential elections since 1948, the point at which he starts looking at gas prices, the GDP and election results.
Click to expand...

So if one looks to history for the answer, it is a mixed one that is inconclusive.
 
Last edited:
haymarket said:
History is not at all clear. NPR had a pretty good report on this yesterday

Higher Gas Prices Cloud Obama's Re-Election Hopes : NPR

the article filled with opinion, concludes with this one
Click to expand...
Did we read the same article? The one you linked supports our "history" comments rather forcefully. Thanks, I guess. I really don't know how to reply to someone who disagrees that whomever the president is he gets blamed for high gas prices, whether he deserves it or not. Now as to will he survive the blame and get a second term, time will tell and the report mentions many of those factors. The current projection on gas cost as we head into summer are not good though and that 5 dollar a gallon number is out there. Locally gas is supposed to jump 20 to 30 cents a gallon tomorrow, depending on who you listen to.
 
Last edited:
Gie said:
Did we read the same article? The one you linked supports our "history" comments rather forcefully. Thanks, I guess, for the support?
Click to expand...

the articles - particularly the one with the analysis by Nate Silver, presented a mixed history. No definite conclusions can be drawn. That is the point.

again

Nate Silver of the FiveThirtyEight blog examined this issue in February 2011 just before the Republican presidential campaigns took off in earnest. It was at a stage when Obama was clashing with congressional Republicans who were accusing his energy policies of contributing to higher prices at the pump.

Silver found there to be, at best, a weak correlation between gas prices and presidential elections though he makes the important point that there isn't as much data as one might want; there have only been 16 presidential elections since 1948, the point at which he starts looking at gas prices, the GDP and election results.
Click to expand...
 
haymarket said:
the articles - particularly the one with the analysis by Nate Silver, presented a mixed history. No definite conclusions can be drawn. That is the point.

again
Click to expand...
According to you and Nate, who admits he had not much raw data to cite. Meanwhile, I can draw a very definite conclusion that Obama, just like every president in my lifetime, will get the blame. Though he may still be able to get re-elected. Time will tell on that, but he'll get the blame. Turn on your TV right now and you will see it already going on, send Nate a note and clue him in too!
 
Gie said:
According to you and Nate, who admits he had not much raw data to cite. Meanwhile, I can draw a very definite conclusion that Obama, just like every president in my lifetime, will get the blame. Though he may still be able to get re-elected. Time will tell on that, but he'll get the blame. Turn on your TV right now and you will see it already going on, send Nate a note and clue him in too!
Click to expand...

Silver says he has data going back to 1948. If you prefer to call than not much - so be it.

You can draw any conclusion you want to - there is stuff on either side to do so. Yup -Obama is getting blamed. And the same people would blame him for a Martian invasion of the West Coast, demons rising from Hell in Central Park, or an earthquake destroying Israel.

Big surprise there huh?

As far as Nate Silver and I getting a clue - I will bet on Silver and his analysis most times. The guy is one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
 
haymarket said:
As far as Nate Silver and I getting a clue - I will bet on Silver and his analysis most times. The guy is one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Click to expand...

Ditto, HM. The guy is pretty brilliant.
 
Gie said:
President Obama does not "accept responsibility" for high gas prices, his spokesman indicated today, arguing that Obama has done everything he could to bring down the price of oil and blaming the high gas prices on oil price increases caused by global factors.

"The president accepts the responsibility that he identified the next president should accept, which is the need for comprehensive energy policy," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today when asked if Obama "accept responsibility" for the high price of oil and gas. "If you're suggesting that there is responsibility for a rise in the price of oil, it's certainly not because of anything he hasn't done to expand oil production," Carney added.

Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

This is an interesting and important turn in the upcoming election. Can Obama, with his moratoriums and pipeline blocking, successfully pull off the "don't blame me" game when few presidents before him could? IMO 5 or 6 dollar a gallon gas could spell the end for his re-election plans, despite the mess the republican filed of contenders is. This is an issue that will weigh heavily on the outcome of the election IMO.
Click to expand...


Hussein Obama is 3 years into his term and does not accept responsibilty for anything except killing OBL which he had very little to do with. Some have said he did not even know it happened until after the fact.
 
I love how republicans cry for free market, but as soon as free market sky-rockets gas prices, its Obama's fault. He's a socialist remember? Anti-free market policies will save us from this crisis.
 
Navy Pride said:
Hussein Obama is 3 years into his term and does not accept responsibilty for anything except killing OBL which he had very little to do with. Some have said he did not even know it happened until after the fact.
Click to expand...

Oh wow, you called him Hussein Obama. You are a perfect example of a pug who has zero respect for the office of president. What a class act. Hussein Obama has accomplished more in his life time then you will ever dream of. This man is your president and will be for another 4 years, better get used to it :/
 
Last edited:
SypherAL said:
I love how republicans cry for free market, but as soon as free market sky-rockets gas prices, its Obama's fault. He's a socialist remember? Anti-free market policies will save us from this crisis.
Click to expand...

Gas prices skyrocketing as a result of government policies that either are passed with utter disregard for the possibility that they may cause this effort, or worse, with the specific intent of causing this effect, have little to do with a free market.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Gas prices skyrocketing as a result of government policies that either are passed with utter disregard for the possibility that they may cause this effort, or worse, with the specific intent of causing this effect, have little to do with a free market.
Click to expand...

So you are for removing Iranian oil sanctions then?
 
rocket88 said:
The price would fall. The more Iranian oil that goes to China, the less China buys up oil from everywhere else. If that supply is cut off, China buys more on the world market driving the price of oil from other countries.
Click to expand...

I don't know if that's true. China is squeezing Iran on the price. While you are right that China will reduce its demand from the rest of the world supply, the rest of the world is now pricing oil without Iran. So in that aspect, prices are rising independent of China's actions. Furthmore, China still needs to buy oil from non-Iranian sources. That's a hard calculation to see if sole sourcing to China will actually negate the price impact of a total reduction in available free supply.
 
haymarket said:
Silver says he has data going back to 1948. If you prefer to call than not much - so be it.

You can draw any conclusion you want to - there is stuff on either side to do so. Yup -Obama is getting blamed. And the same people would blame him for a Martian invasion of the West Coast, demons rising from Hell in Central Park, or an earthquake destroying Israel.

Big surprise there huh?

As far as Nate Silver and I getting a clue - I will bet on Silver and his analysis most times. The guy is one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Click to expand...
As far as clues go, here is another. I'm talking about "blame" with you, while talking about what it means with regard to the election in the larger sense. Specifically with regard to your comments, I once again point you to the "blame" thingy. Hence the reason I keep using flash cards word like blame. Glad to see you agree with me, otherwise as I have already stated time will tell. If you feel the deep burning desire to call that results are inconclusive more power to you. Also, the reason I stated that Nate said something is because in your link, Nate said something about his raw data. There was not as much of it as he might like, despite your claim he has it all going back 1948. I admit after a read through of the thread, I'm clueless how you arrived at the conclusion I was saying something other than exactly what I have said to you repeatedly. I bet Nate agrees with me too, whomever the president is he gets the blame for high gas prices. Booney for you that you realize I was right all along but not so booney for you that you could not follow the plainly printed English you were replying to.
 
SypherAL said:
I love how republicans cry for free market, but as soon as free market sky-rockets gas prices, its Obama's fault. He's a socialist remember? Anti-free market policies will save us from this crisis.
Click to expand...

The free market is not causing the rising prices. Prices are only rising because the Fed has pumped so much money into the system. If we had a free market, many of those who are bidding up prices would have been bankrupt.
 
Gie said:
As far as clues go, here is another. I'm talking about "blame" with you, while talking about what it means with regard to the election in the larger sense. Specifically with regard to your comments, I once again point you to the "blame" thingy. Hence the reason I keep using flash cards word like blame. Glad to see you agree with me, otherwise as I have already stated time will tell. If you feel the deep burning desire to call that results are inconclusive more power to you. Also, the reason I stated that Nate said something is because in your link, Nate said something about his raw data. There was not as much of it as he might like, despite your claim he has it all going back 1948. I admit after a read through of the thread, I'm clueless how you arrived at the conclusion I was saying something other than exactly what I have said to you repeatedly. I bet Nate agrees with me too, whomever the president is he gets the blame for high gas prices. Booney for you that you realize I was right all along but not so booney for you that you could not follow the plainly printed English you were replying to.
Click to expand...

I never cease to be amazed how some here are so fragile that they must constantly tell the world how they were right and even the people who took exception to something they said now agree that they were right all along.

We should have a special category on websites like this wehre for extra money you can get a referee shirt to decide who wins arguments that one is involved in.
 
sharon said:
Actually Obama approved 60 new Deepwater drilling permits in the Gulf of Mexico last fall.

The Saudis have increased production to protect both the dollar and supply in EVERY geopolitical crisis.
Click to expand...

Which is less than before the BP spill and over a two year period is nearly half of the previous pace.
 
haymarket said:
I never cease to be amazed how some here are so fragile that they must constantly tell the world how they were right and even the people who took exception to something they said now agree that they were right all along.

We should have a special category on websites like this wehre for extra money you can get a referee shirt to decide who wins arguments that one is involved in.
Click to expand...
And I never cease to be amazed at how some here can't follow a printed conversation or grasp what the English in front of them says. Sorry you needed me to remind you what was actually being discussed and what your link actually said. Try to keep up next time and you won't need to dream up special categories and refs shirts.
 
Gie said:
And I never cease to be amazed at how some here can't follow a printed conversation or grasp what the English in front of them says. Sorry you needed me to remind you what was actually being discussed and what your link actually said. Try to keep up next time and you won't need to dream up special categories and refs shirts.
Click to expand...

If the board lets you get in the last word in addition to that referee shirt, could you find another twenty bucks?

Do you know what you are arguing about?
 
Last edited:
haymarket said:
If the board lets you get in the last word in addition to that referee shirt, could you find another twenty bucks?

Do you know what you are arguing about?
Click to expand...

Try to keep up next time and you won't need to dream up special categories and refs shirts or twenty bucks either for that matter.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Which is less than before the BP spill and over a two year period is nearly half of the previous pace.
Click to expand...

And how much difference do you think that makes at the pump, now -- in dollars and cents?
 
“Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.” — Secretary of Energy, Steven Chu, September 2008

Times Tough for Energy Overhaul - WSJ.com

Not for nothing. Did the administration do anything to cause it? Dunno. Does someone within the Administration in a position to affect it want to? Yes.
 
Harshaw said:
“Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.” — Secretary of Energy, Steven Chu, September 2008

Times Tough for Energy Overhaul - WSJ.com

Not for nothing. Did the administration do anything to cause it? Dunno. Does someone within the Administration in a position to affect it want to? Yes.
Click to expand...

do you always have to be such a liar? Do you really have so little truth that supports your idiocy? Here's the rest of that blurb;

"Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe," Mr. Chu, who directs the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal in September.

But Mr. Obama has dismissed the idea of boosting the federal gasoline tax, a move energy experts say could be the single most effective step to promote alternative energies and temper demand. Mr. Obama said Sunday that a heightened gas tax would be a "mistake" because it would put "additional burdens on American families right now
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom