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Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

kenvin said:
More fish from a ban doesn't mean that the fishing industry has recovered. Also, not all fishing areas are open and doing well. Oysters for sure are still expensive do to the spill.
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The industry aspect is different. A lot of those guys made a sh!t ton of cash from working the spill and aren't going back to fishing. In fact, I read several articles where guys just can't find people to crew their fishing boats.

The oyster issue really has nothing to do with the actual oil. The reason the oyster population was hit so hard is that opened all of the Mississippi River flow controls wide open which significantly decreased the salinity in the oyster beds. So in a nutshell, fresh water killed the oyster populations.
 
sharon said:
Actually I know about it first hand because my brother was asked to solve the safety audit issues..
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That would make it secondhand, at best.

Your brother might have firsthand knowledge, but when he passed it on to you, it would become secondhand knowledge, or hearsay.
 
The current gas price spike may not be entirely Obama's fault, but he cannot honestly disclaim responsibility for many of his policies that have contributed significantly to higher gas prices.

It would have been much worse, if he had been able to much more freely implement the policies he said he wanted, especially on the “green energy” front, where he outright admitted that if implemented, his policies would lead to much higher energy costs.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The current gas price spike may not be entirely Obama's fault, but he cannot honestly disclaim responsibility for many of his policies that have contributed significantly to higher gas prices.

It would have been much worse, if he had been able to much more freely implement the policies he said he wanted, especially on the “green energy” front, where he outright admitted that if implemented, his policies would lead to much higher energy costs.
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Neither Bush NOR Obama can force oil companies to drill for oil.. Obama's obligation however, was to re evaluate safety regulations after DeepWater horizon.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
The current gas price spike may not be entirely Obama's fault, but he cannot honestly disclaim responsibility for many of his policies that have contributed significantly to higher gas prices.
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Name them.

What is contributing greatest to rising fuel prices is rising oil prices, the rising oil prices are a result of speculation over the increasing tension in the ME, namely Iran. Those tensions come from ultra-cons clamoring for war with Iran.
 
oil started going up big-time when the **** started to hit the fan in Libya. prices didn't go down too much even after Ghaddafi was snuffed. with all the crap going on in the Middle East, its simply no wonder oil prices are high.

we may be the big bad USA, but one thing we really CAN'T control, (other than by conquering the entire damn Middle East), is oil supplies.
 
Mycroft said:
I see...

So you would debate that it is good for US gas prices to be dependent upon the whims of OPEC?
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Oh surely you jest. Seriously. There are always possible political motives involved in all decisions made by all elected officials. That's why they call them politicians. You righties crack me up.
 
apdst said:
Production isn't up because of Obama. Preduction is up because of all the drilling that was done before Obama took office.
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Of course. We know the right wing mantra by this late date: anything bad that has happened since January 20, 2009 is the fault of Barack Obama. Anything good that has happened is directly attributable to anything other than Barack Obama.

If it were not so pathetically lame and predictable like that little rubber hammer hitting your knee, it would be funny. Instead, its merely sad.
 
Top Cat said:
Oh surely you jest. Seriously. There are always possible political motives involved in all decisions made by all elected officials. That's why they call them politicians. You righties crack me up.
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Hey, you are the one who said that "what's good for the country" is almost always debatable...as if that justified Obama's flip-flopping for political reasons. Now you flip-flop and are chalking it up to "but everyone else does it too".

Much like Obama, you can't place responsibility where it lies...with the man himself.


So it goes.
 
haymarket said:
Of course. We know the right wing mantra by this late date: anything bad that has happened since January 20, 2009 is the fault of Barack Obama. Anything good that has happened is directly attributable to anything other than Barack Obama.

If it were not so pathetically lame and predictable like that little rubber hammer hitting your knee, it would be funny. Instead, its merely sad.
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Cry me a river, dude. LOL!!

If gas reaches $5.00 a gallon, it won't matter if the consumer puts an R, a D, a C or an L behind their own name...they'll blame Obama.
 
OK, quick quiz, which strait does a lot of oil come through?

Now, is that strait currently an international hot spot because of our foreign policy toward one of the nations bordering said strait?

Now, if said nation acquired nuclear weapons because our policy was too soft, that would be bad, right?

So, should Obama take it easy on Iran so there's no problem in the Strait of Hormuz to keep gas prices low?

Didn't think so.
 
Mycroft said:
Cry me a river, dude. LOL!!

If gas reaches $5.00 a gallon, it won't matter if the consumer puts an R, a D, a C or an L behind their own name...they'll blame Obama.
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only certain folks, would blaim Obama for $5 a gallon gasoline
 
Thunder said:
only certain folks, would blaim Obama for $5 a gallon gasoline
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Sure...but they are not few in number and they cross party affiliation.
 
apdst said:
Production isn't up because of Obama. Preduction is up because of all the drilling that was done before Obama took office.
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Yeah, and the price of gold today is a reflection of what they mined in Deadwood.
 
The only piece of evidence you can correlate with Obama and increasing gas prices, would him not bringing back a sound monetary system. The increase in gas prices has to do with the devaluation of our dollar, our dollar is getting weaker and weaker therefore we have to pay more money for the same amount of goods.
 
Joeygetzo said:
The only piece of evidence you can correlate with Obama and increasing gas prices, would him not bringing back a sound monetary system. The increase in gas prices has to do with the devaluation of our dollar, our dollar is getting weaker and weaker therefore we have to pay more money for the same amount of goods.
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Well that combined with increased cost to get the oil. Higher air quality standards. Higher insurance rates. All cause higher costs.
 
apdst said:
Production isn't up because of Obama. Preduction is up because of all the drilling that was done before Obama took office.
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Why is it when it comes to oil and gas? Republicans suddenly become socialists, wanting the government to do something and failing to adhere to free market principals.

Drilling is up because the price (and price deck) are up. The US is generally a mature oil market, with high extraction costs. We also have vast, vast petroleum reserves tied up in shale oil; an expensive technology challenge to get at. Oil drilling only makes sense when prices are up.

The other odd thing in Republican thinking is that somehow domestic production will radically reduce gasoline costs. Sorry, but we are dealing in a world market. If companies can get more in China for gasoline than the US, that is where the gasoline goes... until the US demand curve settles on an equivalent price. The US is now an EXPORTER of gasoline. Great to drill, but the world is the beneficiary... given the growing demand for gasoline and petroleum products from emerging economies, our drilling will help the balance of payments rather than the price at the pump.

U.S. Nears Milestone: Net Fuel Exporter - WSJ.com

I know the Republicans are foaming at the mouth, perhaps finally settling on an issue they can hammer Obama with..... It is a good hammer, even if it is wrong.
 
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Gie said:
This is an interesting and important turn in the upcoming election. Can Obama, with his moratoriums and pipeline blocking, successfully pull off the "don't blame me" game when few presidents before him could? IMO 5 or 6 dollar a gallon gas could spell the end for his re-election plans, despite the mess the republican filed of contenders is. This is an issue that will weigh heavily on the outcome of the election IMO.
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The biggest arguable cause of gas and oil price increases are the Iranian sanctions. Removing Iran from the free global supply to a limited supply is having a supply shock impact upon oil prices.

The GOP should be cheering higher oil prices as a sign that the Iranian sanctions are working. Instead they bash him for rising prices that are largely due to something they want. That is hypocritical. Either they are stupid or exceptionally partisan.

The fastest way to reduce gas prices is to end Iranian sanctions.
 
haymarket said:
Of course. We know the right wing mantra by this late date: anything bad that has happened since January 20, 2009 is the fault of Barack Obama. Anything good that has happened is directly attributable to anything other than Barack Obama.

If it were not so pathetically lame and predictable like that little rubber hammer hitting your knee, it would be funny. Instead, its merely sad.
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Actually I have to agree somewhat with Adpst. Oil typically takes between 5 and 10 years to come to market from a new site. Given the investment in the mid to late 2000s, it makes sense that oil is increasing partially due to pre-Obama investment.

That said, the use of fracking to extract oil and gas is increasing production and large amounts of that have happened since 2009. Therefore, Apdst is partially right that it's due to pre-Obama drilling but also wrong because he did not deal with post-Bush fracking.
 
rocket88 said:
OK, quick quiz, which strait does a lot of oil come through?

Now, is that strait currently an international hot spot because of our foreign policy toward one of the nations bordering said strait?

Now, if said nation acquired nuclear weapons because our policy was too soft, that would be bad, right?

So, should Obama take it easy on Iran so there's no problem in the Strait of Hormuz to keep gas prices low?

Didn't think so.
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It's amusing watching people you'd know would scream bloody murder if Obama stopped the sanctions yet blame him for rising oil prices. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

As I've been saying for a while now, the fastest way to cut gas prices to end sanctions. How many of the "Blame Obama" group here would like that?

FYI: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...nctions-reduce-oil-prices.html#post1060230776
 
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