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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Actually if we go by history, Obama will get the blame whether he deserves it or not and lord knows he has left himself wide open to receive it.
    History is not at all clear. NPR had a pretty good report on this yesterday

    Higher Gas Prices Cloud Obama's Re-Election Hopes : NPR

    the article filled with opinion, concludes with this one

    Still, as long as the economy seems to keep improving, Obama probably won't be hurt too much by the attacks "unless gas goes over $5 a gallon," Thurber said.
    and this looks even more closely at politics and past gas price history

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolit...nning-on-empty

    Nate Silver of the FiveThirtyEight blog examined this issue in February 2011 just before the Republican presidential campaigns took off in earnest. It was at a stage when Obama was clashing with congressional Republicans who were accusing his energy policies of contributing to higher prices at the pump.

    Silver found there to be, at best, a weak correlation between gas prices and presidential elections though he makes the important point that there isn't as much data as one might want; there have only been 16 presidential elections since 1948, the point at which he starts looking at gas prices, the GDP and election results.
    So if one looks to history for the answer, it is a mixed one that is inconclusive.
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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    History is not at all clear. NPR had a pretty good report on this yesterday

    Higher Gas Prices Cloud Obama's Re-Election Hopes : NPR

    the article filled with opinion, concludes with this one
    Did we read the same article? The one you linked supports our "history" comments rather forcefully. Thanks, I guess. I really don't know how to reply to someone who disagrees that whomever the president is he gets blamed for high gas prices, whether he deserves it or not. Now as to will he survive the blame and get a second term, time will tell and the report mentions many of those factors. The current projection on gas cost as we head into summer are not good though and that 5 dollar a gallon number is out there. Locally gas is supposed to jump 20 to 30 cents a gallon tomorrow, depending on who you listen to.
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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Did we read the same article? The one you linked supports our "history" comments rather forcefully. Thanks, I guess, for the support?
    the articles - particularly the one with the analysis by Nate Silver, presented a mixed history. No definite conclusions can be drawn. That is the point.

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    Nate Silver of the FiveThirtyEight blog examined this issue in February 2011 just before the Republican presidential campaigns took off in earnest. It was at a stage when Obama was clashing with congressional Republicans who were accusing his energy policies of contributing to higher prices at the pump.

    Silver found there to be, at best, a weak correlation between gas prices and presidential elections though he makes the important point that there isn't as much data as one might want; there have only been 16 presidential elections since 1948, the point at which he starts looking at gas prices, the GDP and election results.
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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the articles - particularly the one with the analysis by Nate Silver, presented a mixed history. No definite conclusions can be drawn. That is the point.

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    According to you and Nate, who admits he had not much raw data to cite. Meanwhile, I can draw a very definite conclusion that Obama, just like every president in my lifetime, will get the blame. Though he may still be able to get re-elected. Time will tell on that, but he'll get the blame. Turn on your TV right now and you will see it already going on, send Nate a note and clue him in too!

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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    According to you and Nate, who admits he had not much raw data to cite. Meanwhile, I can draw a very definite conclusion that Obama, just like every president in my lifetime, will get the blame. Though he may still be able to get re-elected. Time will tell on that, but he'll get the blame. Turn on your TV right now and you will see it already going on, send Nate a note and clue him in too!
    Silver says he has data going back to 1948. If you prefer to call than not much - so be it.

    You can draw any conclusion you want to - there is stuff on either side to do so. Yup -Obama is getting blamed. And the same people would blame him for a Martian invasion of the West Coast, demons rising from Hell in Central Park, or an earthquake destroying Israel.

    Big surprise there huh?

    As far as Nate Silver and I getting a clue - I will bet on Silver and his analysis most times. The guy is one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    As far as Nate Silver and I getting a clue - I will bet on Silver and his analysis most times. The guy is one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
    Ditto, HM. The guy is pretty brilliant.
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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

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    President Obama does not "accept responsibility" for high gas prices, his spokesman indicated today, arguing that Obama has done everything he could to bring down the price of oil and blaming the high gas prices on oil price increases caused by global factors.

    "The president accepts the responsibility that he identified the next president should accept, which is the need for comprehensive energy policy," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today when asked if Obama "accept[s] responsibility" for the high price of oil and gas. "If you're suggesting that there is responsibility for a rise in the price of oil, it's certainly not because of anything he hasn't done to expand oil production," Carney added.

    Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

    This is an interesting and important turn in the upcoming election. Can Obama, with his moratoriums and pipeline blocking, successfully pull off the "don't blame me" game when few presidents before him could? IMO 5 or 6 dollar a gallon gas could spell the end for his re-election plans, despite the mess the republican filed of contenders is. This is an issue that will weigh heavily on the outcome of the election IMO.
    Hussein Obama is 3 years into his term and does not accept responsibilty for anything except killing OBL which he had very little to do with. Some have said he did not even know it happened until after the fact.
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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

    Gas is going up up up because president pond scum wanted it too.


    Top 10 Examples Proving Obama Wants High Energy Prices - HUMAN EVENTS

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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Gas is going up up up because president pond scum wanted it too.


    Top 10 Examples Proving Obama Wants High Energy Prices - HUMAN EVENTS
    Wow. You read it on the internets on a conservative blog. It must be true. If there's two things you can always trust to be 100% accurate, it's political hacks and the internet.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.

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    Re: Obama doesn't accept responsibility for gas prices

    I love how republicans cry for free market, but as soon as free market sky-rockets gas prices, its Obama's fault. He's a socialist remember? Anti-free market policies will save us from this crisis.

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