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Oklahoma elects first openly gay state senator

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State Rep. Al McAffrey tonight won a special election for a seat in the Oklahoma State Senate, becoming the chamber’s first openly gay member.
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I think that Hell just froze over.

Article is here.
 
Honestly, knowing how bat **** crazy Oklahomans are I wouldn't be at all surprised if the motivations were more sinister...but on the off chance that OK is becoming more accepting and less insane I'll say good on 'em.
 
RadicalModerate said:
The times they are a-changin'...

Good for OK.
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Tell that to the Roman Empire, oh wait! We can't! Haven't you noticed that when countries become secular, they die? Our country was founding on Judeo-Christian values, and now we are rejecting them.
 
Amigo said:
Tell that to the Roman Empire, oh wait! We can't! Haven't you noticed that when countries become secular, they die? Our country was founding on Judeo-Christian values, and now we are rejecting them.
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Rome didn't become secular, they became Christian.

Empires die. Secularist beliefs have little bearing on that. Most empires have lasted from 200 to 400 years, max, before they've collapsed and been replaced by another. Our empire will crumble, too.
 
Amigo said:
Tell that to the Roman Empire, oh wait! We can't! Haven't you noticed that when countries become secular, they die? Our country was founding on Judeo-Christian values, and now we are rejecting them.
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Your point is that the Roman Empire died because it became Christian?

Generally, the "founding fathers" were Unitarians. The Unitarian Church was very large back then and came to be seen as the religion of the intellectuals.
 
tessaesque said:
Rome didn't become secular, they became Christian.

Empires die. Secularist beliefs have little bearing on that. Most empires have lasted from 200 to 400 years, max, before they've collapsed and been replaced by another. Our empire will crumble, too.
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Rome was dying, then they became christian, then secularism came again and destroyed them. ;) Relativism, and Secularism, are deadly.
 
Amigo said:
Rome was dying, then they became christian, then secularism came again and destroyed them. ;) Relativism, and Secularism, are deadly.
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No, you are wrong.
 
Amigo said:
Tell that to the Roman Empire, oh wait! We can't! Haven't you noticed that when countries become secular, they die? Our country was founding on Judeo-Christian values, and now we are rejecting them.
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Rome became Christian, and Rome collapsed because it was too big for itself, and corruption. Not because of teh gays.

Good on OKC, the world has become a little more tolerant apparently.
 
Amigo said:
Rome was dying, then they became christian, then secularism came again and destroyed them. ;) Relativism, and Secularism, are deadly.
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You do realize that atheists have existed since the days before organize religion... correct? I mean even in the days of people worshiping fire there was that one guy who was going "You guys are retarded".
 
Amigo said:
Tell that to the Roman Empire, oh wait! We can't! Haven't you noticed that when countries become secular, they die? Our country was founding on Judeo-Christian values, and now we are rejecting them.
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Please learn history. And not just that taught by Westboro.
 
Your Star said:
Rome became Christian, and Rome collapsed because it was too big for itself, and corruption. Not because of teh gays.

Good on OKC, the world has become a little more tolerant apparently.
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The only thing to tolerate is evil. ;)
 
Amigo said:
Tell that to the Roman Empire, oh wait! We can't! Haven't you noticed that when countries become secular, they die? Our country was founding on Judeo-Christian values, and now we are rejecting them.
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There's FAR more arguments as to the fall of the Roman Empire than simply secularism.

The enormous size and the disconnect that caused throughout the Empire being a far more prime suspect for its ultimate demise than rejecting their original adherance to religious beliefs.

If there's a lesson to be learned from the Roman Empire in regards to dangers as it relates to America today, imho it would be the dangers of attempting to intigrate multiple significantly entrenched seperate cultures under one governmental umbrella rather than attempting to establish a baseline cultural link throughout all of the various peoples who are under the paritcular government. When you don't have that common cultural link then you create significant challenges in terms of government and cohesion of a country.
 
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Your Star said:
So gay people are evil?
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Going to guess it goes more along the lines of

Sin = Evil

And that acting upon Homosexuality is a Sin as well as supporting individuals in their sinning is a sin.

So homosexuals themselves perhaps not evil, the belief that their actions and desires are evil.

Likely going down that whole "don't hate the sinner, hate the sin". Not to be confused with the more popularly referenced don't have the playa, hate the game.
 
Your Star said:
So gay people are evil?
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I always cringe when people ask questions that push rhetorical extremes to make a moral point on the Internet. Generally your opponent will just swallow the point.
 
Your Star said:
So gay people are evil?
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The sin is evil, and when we as a country accept the evil of homosexuality as a norm, we accept incest, and other perverted acts as a norm.
 
Amigo said:
The sin is evil, and when we as a country accept the evil of homosexuality as a norm, we accept incest, and other perverted acts as a norm.
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incest has nothing to do with homosexuality. and YOU believe it's a sin, fine. don't practice it. but don't put your religious beliefs on others.
 
Zyphlin said:
There's FAR more arguments as to the fall of the Roman Empire than simply secularism.

The enormous size and the disconnect that caused throughout the Empire being a far more prime suspect for its ultimate demise than rejecting their original adherance to religious beliefs.

If there's a lesson to be learned from the Roman Empire in regards to dangers as it relates to America today, imho it would be the dangers of attempting to intigrate multiple significantly entrenched seperate cultures under one governmental umbrella rather than attempting to establish a baseline cultural link throughout all of the various peoples who are under the paritcular government. When you don't have that common cultural link then you create significant challenges in terms of government and cohesion of a country.
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A steady succession of completely insane emperors didn't help.

As for the cultural integration of the civilizations they conquered, the Romans were actually experts in this area. Being polytheistic (at first) it was easy for them to recognize other gods as being their own in disguise. As long as the new civilizations paid tithes and gave their sons to the army, all was good. For this reason their expansion suffered relatively little backlash. The backlash that occurred due to corruption and the sheer impracticality of controlling an area so fantastically large without modern communication was another matter altogether.
 
Amigo said:
Tell that to the Roman Empire, oh wait! We can't! Haven't you noticed that when countries become secular, they die? Our country was founding on Judeo-Christian values, and now we are rejecting them.
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I'd be fascinated to know where you heard that the Roman Empire became more secular.
 
Amigo said:
The sin is evil, and when we as a country accept the evil of homosexuality as a norm, we accept incest, and other perverted acts as a norm.
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Not everyone believes it is a sin, so there's that point. Secondly homosexuality has nothing to do with incest or any perverted act, it's ignorant to say otherwise.

And lastly it is accepted as a norm, at least with my generation, and thank God for that.
 
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