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Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

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"A feared wave of homegrown terrorism by radicalized Muslim Americans has not materialized, with plots and arrests dropping sharply over the two years since an unusual peak in 2009, according to a new study by a North Carolina research group...".* Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss on The Young Turks.



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WASHINGTON — A feared wave of homegrown terrorism by radicalized Muslim Americans has not materialized, with plots and arrests dropping sharply over the two years since an unusual peak in 2009, according to a new study by a North Carolina research group. The study, to be released on Wednesday, found that 20 Muslim Americans were charged in violent plots or attacks in 2011, down from 26 in 2010 and a spike of 47 in 2009.Charles Kurzman, the author of the report for the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security, called terrorism by Muslim Americans “a minuscule threat to public safety.” Of about 14,000 murders in the United States last year, not a single one resulted from Islamic extremism, said Mr. Kurzman, a professor of sociology at the University of North Carolina.The report also found that no single ethnic group predominated among Muslims charged in terrorism cases last year — six were of Arab ancestry, five were white, three were African-American and two were Iranian, Mr. Kurzman said. That pattern of ethnic diversity has held for those arrested since Sept. 11, 2001, he said.Forty percent of those charged in 2011 were converts to Islam, Mr. Kurzman found, slightly higher than the 35 percent of those charged since the 2001 attacks. His new report is based on the continuation of research he conducted for a book he published last year, “The Missing Martyrs: Why There Are So Few Muslim Terrorists.”The decline in cases since 2009 has come as a relief to law enforcement and counterterrorism officials. In that year, the authorities were surprised by a series of terrorist plots or attacks, including the killing of 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., by an Army psychiatrist who had embraced radical Islam, Maj. Nidal Hasan.


Read more @: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/u...icans-pose-little-threat-study-says.html?_r=1
Video @: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study - YouTube

So come on guys chill out. The Muslims arent here to murder us all. Chill out all will be fine :lamo

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Gosh, well, I'll just play the role of conservative here.

If anybody thought that terrorist attacks would primarily come from Muslims, they were just kidding themselves. You could hardly expect a Harvard preppie to be easily accepted into a working-class bar in Mississippi. Likewise, you could hardly expect a Muslim, or even someone looks Arabic to get very far trying to pull of a terrorist attack. That means the best move for the bad guys is to radicalize whites, blacks, and asians. Even if people intellectually understand this, they still will not have a knee-jerk reaction to groups not commonly associated with Muslims. So that means...you gotta watch everybody.

But if you have that, certain things like privacy get stepped on. It sucks, but it's the world we live in. People are unhappy with the civil liberties that Dubya trod upon, but on the other side of it, we see no terrorist activity in 2011. Some may claim that's because there wasn't any, but isn't it possible that this is proof of the effectiveness of foreign and domestic intelligence services? There was a spike of activity in 2009, but no buildings cam crashing down. The terrorists got owned, and I think they know it. I think they're backing off because all those open doors in our very open society got shut down. They aren't able to exploit us as effectively as before.

So does this mean we can relax? I say no. If you install a firewall on your computer to combat a rash of viruses, and two years later you realize you haven't had a single attack, should you bring down the firewall? Hell No! The existence of the firewall is what kept you safe. Removing it removes your protection and merely provides a hole for the bad stuff to return. When we can see the entire movement of Radical Islam die out - I think it will in time, because even the vast majority of ordinary (peaceful) Muslims don't care for it - then I think we can relax. But for now, we need to stay diligent and put up with self-induced impositions a little longer.
 
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And now a big resounding... duh...
 
Gosh, well, I'll just play the role of conservative here.

If anybody thought that terrorist attacks would primarily come from Muslims, they were just kidding themselves. You could hardly expect a Harvard preppie to be easily accepted into a working-class bar in Mississippi. Likewise, you could hardly expect a Muslim, or even someone looks Arabic to get very far trying to pull of a terrorist attack. That means the best move for the bad guys is to radicalize whites, blacks, and asians. Even if people intellectually understand this, they still will not have a knee-jerk reaction to groups not commonly associated with Muslims. So that means...you gotta watch everybody.

But if you have that, certain things like privacy get stepped on. It sucks, but it's the world we live in. People are unhappy with the civil liberties that Dubya trod upon, but on the other side of it, we see no terrorist activity in 2011. Some may claim that's because there wasn't any, but isn't it possible that this is proof of the effectiveness of foreign and domestic intelligence services? There was a spike of activity in 2009, but no buildings cam crashing down. The terrorists got owned, and I think they know it. I think they're backing off because all those open doors in our very open society got shut down. They aren't able to exploit us as effectively as before.

So does this mean we can relax? I say no. If you install a firewall on your computer to combat a rash of viruses, and two years later you realize you haven't had a single attack, should you bring down the firewall? Hell No! The existence of the firewall is what kept you safe. Removing it removes your protection and merely provides a hole for the bad stuff to return. When we can see the entire movement of Radical Islam die out - I think it will in time, because even the vast majority of ordinary (peaceful) Muslims don't care for it - then I think we can relax. But for now, we need to stay diligent and put up with self-induced impositions a little longer.

The question that this raises is, was all of this trampling on civil liberties, creation of vast bureaucracies, and increased security needed to prevent all this terrorist violence? I doubt it. Radical Islam makes up such a small portion of Americans that the pool of qualified candidates is exceedingly small. The vast majority of terrorist attempts have been carried out by complete incompetents that law enforcement could have caught with more typical measures. This is not to say that law enforcement and intelligence services didn't need to change to combat terrorism. 9/11 was allowed to happen due to serious deficiencies in these institutions, but they can be made far more effective by streamlining, better information sharing, and better analysis of the information they have. Warrantless wiretapping and locking people naked in cold rooms are not necessary.
 
Though I can easily see the over-reaction our patriot act created (and was a result of)...it is somewhat clear extremists from afar do not wish us well, and may very well attempt another 9/11 type attack.

I am not however, willing to compromise American Ideals and Laws to prevent something as likely as another Timothy McVey or Unibomber. We live in a world of lunatics, there is no reason for the rest of us become infected with this.
 
It's not radical Muslims that we have to fear. It's economic stagnation and collapse, with the resulting chaos among the masses.
 
It's not radical Muslims that we have to fear. It's economic stagnation and collapse, with the resulting chaos among the masses.

Sometimes....(Usually) more than one issue becomes worthy of attention.
 
Gosh, well, I'll just play the role of conservative here.

If anybody thought that terrorist attacks would primarily come from Muslims, they were just kidding themselves. You could hardly expect a Harvard preppie to be easily accepted into a working-class bar in Mississippi. Likewise, you could hardly expect a Muslim, or even someone looks Arabic to get very far trying to pull of a terrorist attack. That means the best move for the bad guys is to radicalize whites, blacks, and asians. Even if people intellectually understand this, they still will not have a knee-jerk reaction to groups not commonly associated with Muslims. So that means...you gotta watch everybody.

But if you have that, certain things like privacy get stepped on. It sucks, but it's the world we live in. People are unhappy with the civil liberties that Dubya trod upon, but on the other side of it, we see no terrorist activity in 2011. Some may claim that's because there wasn't any, but isn't it possible that this is proof of the effectiveness of foreign and domestic intelligence services? There was a spike of activity in 2009, but no buildings cam crashing down. The terrorists got owned, and I think they know it. I think they're backing off because all those open doors in our very open society got shut down. They aren't able to exploit us as effectively as before.

So does this mean we can relax? I say no. If you install a firewall on your computer to combat a rash of viruses, and two years later you realize you haven't had a single attack, should you bring down the firewall? Hell No! The existence of the firewall is what kept you safe. Removing it removes your protection and merely provides a hole for the bad stuff to return. When we can see the entire movement of Radical Islam die out - I think it will in time, because even the vast majority of ordinary (peaceful) Muslims don't care for it - then I think we can relax. But for now, we need to stay diligent and put up with self-induced impositions a little longer.

So we shouldn't be afraid of Muslims because we're afraid of Muslims. :D
 
So we shouldn't be afraid of Muslims because we're afraid of Muslims. :D

Actually, we should fear our...fear of Muslims! I think people get way too wiggy about American Muslims. People should relax and try some Shwarma.

The question that this raises is, was all of this trampling on civil liberties, creation of vast bureaucracies, and increased security needed to prevent all this terrorist violence? I doubt it. Radical Islam makes up such a small portion of Americans that the pool of qualified candidates is exceedingly small. The vast majority of terrorist attempts have been carried out by complete incompetents that law enforcement could have caught with more typical measures. This is not to say that law enforcement and intelligence services didn't need to change to combat terrorism. 9/11 was allowed to happen due to serious deficiencies in these institutions, but they can be made far more effective by streamlining, better information sharing, and better analysis of the information they have. Warrantless wiretapping and locking people naked in cold rooms are not necessary.

What we can't be certain about is that everything that happened was reported publicly. If the FBI uncovered 9/11-style plot and thwarted it, that's great, but they should never report it. Even news of another thwarted attempt like that could cause a serious panic, and big trouble for innocent domestic Muslims. So it's really doubtful that we've heard the entire story.

And I agree, Radical Muslims make up a very tiny minority here, and even overseas. But it doesn't take very many to cause destruction. They can't do serious material harm to the US, but the harm upon the the psyche of the public could be bad, and that's what the bad guys are really after anyway. So I think we need to trample on the the civil liberties a little longer. If the NSA wants to listen in on my phone conversations, without a warrant, then they can learn how lazy my wife's co-workers can be. I'm cool with that.
 
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What we can't be certain about is that everything that happened was reported publicly. If the FBI uncovered 9/11-style plot and thwarted it, that's great, but they should never report it. Even news of another thwarted attempt like that could cause a serious panic, and big trouble for innocent domestic Muslims. So it's really doubtful that we've heard the entire story.

Do you really think that the government is that smart? If they were to thwart another 9-11, it would be front-page news. Every agency in the government would want to take credit for stopping it.
 
Do you really think that the government is that smart? If they were to thwart another 9-11, it would be front-page news. Every agency in the government would want to take credit for stopping it.

No. I just don't think they're that dumb.
 
What we can't be certain about is that everything that happened was reported publicly. If the FBI uncovered 9/11-style plot and thwarted it, that's great, but they should never report it. Even news of another thwarted attempt like that could cause a serious panic, and big trouble for innocent domestic Muslims. So it's really doubtful that we've heard the entire story.

Do you really think power and popularity starved politicians would not loudly trumpet stopping another 9/11? They already have, in fact.

And I agree, Radical Muslims make up a very tiny minority here, and even overseas. But it doesn't take very many to cause destruction. They can't do serious material harm to the US, but the harm upon the the psyche of the public could be bad, and that's what the bad guys are really after anyway. So I think we need to trample on the the civil liberties a little longer. If the NSA wants to listen in on my phone conversations, without a warrant, then they can learn how lazy my wife's co-workers can be. I'm cool with that.

Carrying out terrorism is harder than you would think. Otherwise, the few dozen plots that have been foiled in the past few years would not have been stopped by their incompetence. You might not mind you phone being tapped, but I do. Civil liberties are not to be taken away lightly. They are inalienable rights, and when you take them away for "national security", you give the government the pretext to take them away whenever they wish.
 
Do you really think power and popularity starved politicians would not loudly trumpet stopping another 9/11? They already have, in fact.

Really? They must have had a mute in the trumpet. Seriously, to what other 9/11 caliber incident are you referring?
 
Really? They must have had a mute in the trumpet. Seriously, to what other 9/11 caliber incident are you referring?

The incident to blow up passenger jets in 2006, aka the reason you cannot bring a water bottle on a plane
 
In other news, Christians clinging to the their guns and Bibles.......HUGE THREAT!
 
In other news, Christians clinging to the their guns and Bibles.......HUGE THREAT!


Only when those bible thumpers want to force people to live as they do.
 
"A feared wave of homegrown terrorism by radicalized Muslim Americans has not materialized, with plots and arrests dropping sharply over the two years since an unusual peak in 2009, according to a new study by a North Carolina research group...".* Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss on The Young Turks./LEFT]

Original Article:
...A feared wave of homegrown terrorism by radicalized Muslim Americans has not materialized, with plots and arrests dropping sharply over the two years since an unusual peak in 2009, according to a new study by a North Carolina research group. The study, to be released on Wednesday, found that 20 Muslim Americans were charged in violent plots or attacks in 2011, down from 26 in 2010 and a spike of 47 in 2009.....

So come on guys chill out. The Muslims arent here to murder us all. Chill out all will be fine :lamo

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I think the numbers are Disturbingly HIGH.

"..A feared wave of homegrown terrorism by radicalized Muslim Americans has not materialized, with plots and arrests dropping sharply over the two years since an unusual peak in 2009, according to a new study by a North Carolina research group. The study, to be released on Wednesday, found that 20 Muslim Americans were charged in violent plots or attacks in 2011, down from 26 in 2010 and a spike of 47 in 2009..."

That's 93 Muslim Americans charged in just the last 3 years on Terror charges nearly 10 Years after 9/11.
The article is Spinning some Terrible numbers as 'insubstantial', Unfairly comparing, ie, 2% of the population to Totals for the other 98%.
Thanks to Law enforcement for nipping these early, otherwise the numbers could have been very bad. It doesn't take many terror attacks, perhaps only a few to have the desired effect.

Oh, and from the actual the report which is Spun as heavily as the article:
http://sanford.duke.edu/centers/tct...erican_Terrorism_in_the_Decade_Since_9_11.pdf

[.....]
Support for Terrorism

In addition to the decline in violent plots, the number of Muslim-Americans indicted for support of terrorism -- financing, false statements, and other connections with terrorist plots and organizations, aside from
violent plots -- fell from 27 individuals in 2010 to 8 in 2011, bringing the total to 462 since 9/11.

Bringing the 10 year Total to 462.
That's ALOT of potential damage and a Big number for terrorism alone.
Spin away.
 
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correction.
Overlap.
It appears that in Addition to many (a few hundred) arrests for terror plots.. you have 462 More for support of terror over 10 years.
I have yet to read the whole Apologist study but one can see on short read they have just decided to Paint a smiley on some bad numbers.
 
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The incident to blow up passenger jets in 2006, aka the reason you cannot bring a water bottle on a plane

Actually that was the Brits that stopped that. Our government has been very quiet about what terrorist plots have been foiled, with only the occasional story getting out.
 
Actually, we should fear our...fear of Muslims! I think people get way too wiggy about American Muslims. People should relax and try some Shwarma.



What we can't be certain about is that everything that happened was reported publicly. If the FBI uncovered 9/11-style plot and thwarted it, that's great, but they should never report it. Even news of another thwarted attempt like that could cause a serious panic, and big trouble for innocent domestic Muslims. So it's really doubtful that we've heard the entire story.

And I agree, Radical Muslims make up a very tiny minority here, and even overseas. But it doesn't take very many to cause destruction. They can't do serious material harm to the US, but the harm upon the the psyche of the public could be bad, and that's what the bad guys are really after anyway. So I think we need to trample on the the civil liberties a little longer. If the NSA wants to listen in on my phone conversations, without a warrant, then they can learn how lazy my wife's co-workers can be. I'm cool with that.

Surely one radical muslim is one too many. Let's not forget the Muslim Major in Texas that went on a killing spree. How many of those do you need before we consider radical muslims to be a threat?

Frankly I continue to fear a faction of a religion that rewards the families of its children for strapping bombs onto themselves and that talks seriously about Jihad. The fact that they are not quite as successful with their message here as they are elsewhere isn't a hell of a lot of comfort. Ask people who ride trains in Spain or the underground in London.
 
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