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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Foiled plots are still revealed to the public. The fact that people don't care that much does not change the fact that the government has been fairly self-aggrandizing about about stopping threats.
    There is no possible way you can know that, because you have no knowledge of plots that have been foiled about which nothing has been said. The one example you gave was in fact a British operation, and not the doing of our government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Muslims don't bother me in slightest, it's the radicals that concern me. But then again, Christian radicals concern me too. It's not the religion that matters, it's the lunatic fringe that causes damage. And I trust in our intelligence services to have the issue well in hand. It's their job and I expect them to do it. I believe they haven't told us everything they're doing because it's in the interest of the government to keep the public calm. Panic and rioting in the streets would be worse than anything a terrorist could do. So I intend to remain vigilant, but calm and trust in the experts.
    While I agree with you in principal, it seems to me there is a marked difference between the Muslim brand of radicalism and that of any other faith. For one thing, the shear numbers involved. There is a definite sect within Islam that preaches Jihad and martyrdom and teaches it in schools and mosques. We can argue about how large this sect is - 1%, 5%, 10% - but it exists. I'm not aware of any other religion with large numbers of followers that has one branch devoted to violence.

    Do I think the vast number of Muslims are peace loving people who just want to get on with their lives? Of course. But we dismiss the threat and the number of Islamic radicals at our peril.

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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    While I agree with you in principal, it seems to me there is a marked difference between the Muslim brand of radicalism and that of any other faith. For one thing, the shear numbers involved. There is a definite sect within Islam that preaches Jihad and martyrdom and teaches it in schools and mosques. We can argue about how large this sect is - 1%, 5%, 10% - but it exists. I'm not aware of any other religion with large numbers of followers that has one branch devoted to violence.

    Do I think the vast number of Muslims are peace loving people who just want to get on with their lives? Of course. But we dismiss the threat and the number of Islamic radicals at our peril.
    Well, we definitely have to stay vigilant, because the threat is not over. I think Radical Islam will fall out of fashion in the years to come, and we need to stay on our toes for the duration. Radical Islam will most likely be squelched by Rational Islam because peaceful Muslims are getting really tired of the Radicals constantly drawing fire down on their heads.

    I don't think there is a specific Muslim sect that is the cause of radicalism. Some may say Wahabism, but I'm not so sure about that. I think it's just loonies trying to explain away their insanity with religion. I don't know what the percentage of radicals is either. It only takes a few to cause a lot of trouble. For now, we just need to keep our eyes on target and fire as she bears.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    While I agree with you in principal, it seems to me there is a marked difference between the Muslim brand of radicalism and that of any other faith. For one thing, the shear numbers involved. There is a definite sect within Islam that preaches Jihad and martyrdom and teaches it in schools and mosques. We can argue about how large this sect is - 1%, 5%, 10% - but it exists. I'm not aware of any other religion with large numbers of followers that has one branch devoted to violence.

    Do I think the vast number of Muslims are peace loving people who just want to get on with their lives? Of course. But we dismiss the threat and the number of Islamic radicals at our peril.
    The same could be said of pretty much any demographic, religious or otherwise.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Sure they are, but not ALL of them. And what's wrong with the govt beating it's chest a little? I don't know about you but I give a little cheer when I find out about a foiled plot. It's good to know our boys are on the job.
    I don't really see a problem with it. I just doubt that they would keep these plots hidden for that long.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    There is no possible way you can know that, because you have no knowledge of plots that have been foiled about which nothing has been said. The one example you gave was in fact a British operation, and not the doing of our government.
    Google "foiled terrorist plots" and plenty of results pop up. The government has an interest in letting people know when they catch terrorists, because it makes people more accepting of the loss of their personal liberties.

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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Only when those bible thumpers want to force people to live as they do.
    As opposed to liberals forcing people to live as they do?
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    As opposed to liberals forcing people to live as they do?
    What specific values are you being forced to abide by that a "liberal lives like"? At a personal level.

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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

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    Only when those bible thumpers want to force people to live as they do.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The same could be said of pretty much any demographic, religious or otherwise.
    Well, when you come up with any other demographic group that is as large as radical Islam, who believes in martyrdom and things like strapping bombs to themselves and walking into crowded marketplaces or flying airplanes into buildings or throwing acid in young girls' faces because they want to go to school, please alert me. I promise to be just as wary of that group.

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