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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In other news, Christians clinging to the their guns and Bibles.......HUGE THREAT!

    Only when those bible thumpers want to force people to live as they do.

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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "A feared wave of homegrown terrorism by radicalized Muslim Americans has not materialized, with plots and arrests dropping sharply over the two years since an unusual peak in 2009, according to a new study by a North Carolina research group...".* Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss on The Young Turks./LEFT]

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    ...A feared wave of homegrown terrorism by radicalized Muslim Americans has not materialized, with plots and arrests dropping sharply over the two years since an unusual peak in 2009, according to a new study by a North Carolina research group. The study, to be released on Wednesday, found that 20 Muslim Americans were charged in violent plots or attacks in 2011, down from 26 in 2010 and a spike of 47 in 2009.....
    So come on guys chill out. The Muslims arent here to murder us all. Chill out all will be fine

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    I think the numbers are Disturbingly HIGH.

    "..A feared wave of homegrown terrorism by radicalized Muslim Americans has not materialized, with plots and arrests dropping sharply over the two years since an unusual peak in 2009, according to a new study by a North Carolina research group. The study, to be released on Wednesday, found that 20 Muslim Americans were charged in violent plots or attacks in 2011, down from 26 in 2010 and a spike of 47 in 2009..."

    That's 93 Muslim Americans charged in just the last 3 years on Terror charges nearly 10 Years after 9/11.
    The article is Spinning some Terrible numbers as 'insubstantial', Unfairly comparing, ie, 2% of the population to Totals for the other 98%.
    Thanks to Law enforcement for nipping these early, otherwise the numbers could have been very bad. It doesn't take many terror attacks, perhaps only a few to have the desired effect.

    Oh, and from the actual the report which is Spun as heavily as the article:
    http://sanford.duke.edu/centers/tcth...Since_9_11.pdf

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    Support for Terrorism

    In addition to the decline in violent plots, the number of Muslim-Americans indicted for support of terrorism -- financing, false statements, and other connections with terrorist plots and organizations, aside from
    violent plots -- fell from 27 individuals in 2010 to 8 in 2011, bringing the total to 462 since 9/11.
    Bringing the 10 year Total to 462.
    That's ALOT of potential damage and a Big number for terrorism alone.
    Spin away.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    correction.
    Overlap.
    It appears that in Addition to many (a few hundred) arrests for terror plots.. you have 462 More for support of terror over 10 years.
    I have yet to read the whole Apologist study but one can see on short read they have just decided to Paint a smiley on some bad numbers.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    The incident to blow up passenger jets in 2006, aka the reason you cannot bring a water bottle on a plane
    Actually that was the Brits that stopped that. Our government has been very quiet about what terrorist plots have been foiled, with only the occasional story getting out.

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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Actually, we should fear our...fear of Muslims! I think people get way too wiggy about American Muslims. People should relax and try some Shwarma.



    What we can't be certain about is that everything that happened was reported publicly. If the FBI uncovered 9/11-style plot and thwarted it, that's great, but they should never report it. Even news of another thwarted attempt like that could cause a serious panic, and big trouble for innocent domestic Muslims. So it's really doubtful that we've heard the entire story.

    And I agree, Radical Muslims make up a very tiny minority here, and even overseas. But it doesn't take very many to cause destruction. They can't do serious material harm to the US, but the harm upon the the psyche of the public could be bad, and that's what the bad guys are really after anyway. So I think we need to trample on the the civil liberties a little longer. If the NSA wants to listen in on my phone conversations, without a warrant, then they can learn how lazy my wife's co-workers can be. I'm cool with that.
    Surely one radical muslim is one too many. Let's not forget the Muslim Major in Texas that went on a killing spree. How many of those do you need before we consider radical muslims to be a threat?

    Frankly I continue to fear a faction of a religion that rewards the families of its children for strapping bombs onto themselves and that talks seriously about Jihad. The fact that they are not quite as successful with their message here as they are elsewhere isn't a hell of a lot of comfort. Ask people who ride trains in Spain or the underground in London.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Surely one radical muslim is one too many. Let's not forget the Muslim Major in Texas that went on a killing spree. How many of those do you need before we consider radical muslims to be a threat?

    Frankly I continue to fear a faction of a religion that rewards the families of its children for strapping bombs onto themselves and that talks seriously about Jihad. The fact that they are not quite as successful with their message here as they are elsewhere isn't a hell of a lot of comfort. Ask people who ride trains in Spain or the underground in London.
    I agree with you, but demographically, and geographically, we have a definite advantage here. If the threat becomes real, have no doubt I will readily get pro-active about it, but there are many people who have an illogical fear of America becoming under attack from radical Muslims. There will always be a nutcase popping off here and there, which is the same with any religious or ethnic group, but it doesn't seem to be a legitimate threat, at least at this point in time.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Sure it is little threat because we took the threat seriously.

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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Actually that was the Brits that stopped that. Our government has been very quiet about what terrorist plots have been foiled, with only the occasional story getting out.
    Foiled plots are still revealed to the public. The fact that people don't care that much does not change the fact that the government has been fairly self-aggrandizing about about stopping threats.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Surely one radical muslim is one too many. Let's not forget the Muslim Major in Texas that went on a killing spree. How many of those do you need before we consider radical muslims to be a threat?

    Frankly I continue to fear a faction of a religion that rewards the families of its children for strapping bombs onto themselves and that talks seriously about Jihad. The fact that they are not quite as successful with their message here as they are elsewhere isn't a hell of a lot of comfort. Ask people who ride trains in Spain or the underground in London.
    Muslims don't bother me in slightest, it's the radicals that concern me. But then again, Christian radicals concern me too. It's not the religion that matters, it's the lunatic fringe that causes damage. And I trust in our intelligence services to have the issue well in hand. It's their job and I expect them to do it. I believe they haven't told us everything they're doing because it's in the interest of the government to keep the public calm. Panic and rioting in the streets would be worse than anything a terrorist could do. So I intend to remain vigilant, but calm and trust in the experts.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Foiled plots are still revealed to the public. The fact that people don't care that much does not change the fact that the government has been fairly self-aggrandizing about about stopping threats.
    Sure they are, but not ALL of them. And what's wrong with the govt beating it's chest a little? I don't know about you but I give a little cheer when I find out about a foiled plot. It's good to know our boys are on the job.
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