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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So we shouldn't be afraid of Muslims because we're afraid of Muslims.
    Actually, we should fear our...fear of Muslims! I think people get way too wiggy about American Muslims. People should relax and try some Shwarma.

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    The question that this raises is, was all of this trampling on civil liberties, creation of vast bureaucracies, and increased security needed to prevent all this terrorist violence? I doubt it. Radical Islam makes up such a small portion of Americans that the pool of qualified candidates is exceedingly small. The vast majority of terrorist attempts have been carried out by complete incompetents that law enforcement could have caught with more typical measures. This is not to say that law enforcement and intelligence services didn't need to change to combat terrorism. 9/11 was allowed to happen due to serious deficiencies in these institutions, but they can be made far more effective by streamlining, better information sharing, and better analysis of the information they have. Warrantless wiretapping and locking people naked in cold rooms are not necessary.
    What we can't be certain about is that everything that happened was reported publicly. If the FBI uncovered 9/11-style plot and thwarted it, that's great, but they should never report it. Even news of another thwarted attempt like that could cause a serious panic, and big trouble for innocent domestic Muslims. So it's really doubtful that we've heard the entire story.

    And I agree, Radical Muslims make up a very tiny minority here, and even overseas. But it doesn't take very many to cause destruction. They can't do serious material harm to the US, but the harm upon the the psyche of the public could be bad, and that's what the bad guys are really after anyway. So I think we need to trample on the the civil liberties a little longer. If the NSA wants to listen in on my phone conversations, without a warrant, then they can learn how lazy my wife's co-workers can be. I'm cool with that.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    What we can't be certain about is that everything that happened was reported publicly. If the FBI uncovered 9/11-style plot and thwarted it, that's great, but they should never report it. Even news of another thwarted attempt like that could cause a serious panic, and big trouble for innocent domestic Muslims. So it's really doubtful that we've heard the entire story.
    Do you really think that the government is that smart? If they were to thwart another 9-11, it would be front-page news. Every agency in the government would want to take credit for stopping it.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by MOrion View Post
    Do you really think that the government is that smart? If they were to thwart another 9-11, it would be front-page news. Every agency in the government would want to take credit for stopping it.
    No. I just don't think they're that dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So we shouldn't be afraid of Muslims because we're afraid of Muslims.
    Sharia law is coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Sharia law is coming.
    Well, when it gets here, I guess we'll just have to have a fight about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post

    What we can't be certain about is that everything that happened was reported publicly. If the FBI uncovered 9/11-style plot and thwarted it, that's great, but they should never report it. Even news of another thwarted attempt like that could cause a serious panic, and big trouble for innocent domestic Muslims. So it's really doubtful that we've heard the entire story.
    Do you really think power and popularity starved politicians would not loudly trumpet stopping another 9/11? They already have, in fact.

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    And I agree, Radical Muslims make up a very tiny minority here, and even overseas. But it doesn't take very many to cause destruction. They can't do serious material harm to the US, but the harm upon the the psyche of the public could be bad, and that's what the bad guys are really after anyway. So I think we need to trample on the the civil liberties a little longer. If the NSA wants to listen in on my phone conversations, without a warrant, then they can learn how lazy my wife's co-workers can be. I'm cool with that.
    Carrying out terrorism is harder than you would think. Otherwise, the few dozen plots that have been foiled in the past few years would not have been stopped by their incompetence. You might not mind you phone being tapped, but I do. Civil liberties are not to be taken away lightly. They are inalienable rights, and when you take them away for "national security", you give the government the pretext to take them away whenever they wish.
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Do you really think power and popularity starved politicians would not loudly trumpet stopping another 9/11? They already have, in fact.
    Really? They must have had a mute in the trumpet. Seriously, to what other 9/11 caliber incident are you referring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Really? They must have had a mute in the trumpet. Seriously, to what other 9/11 caliber incident are you referring?
    The incident to blow up passenger jets in 2006, aka the reason you cannot bring a water bottle on a plane
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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Sharia law is coming.
    Here a member of the EDL tries to explain how Muslims are trying to change our laws.

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    Re: Radical U.S. Muslims Little Threat - Study

    In other news, Christians clinging to the their guns and Bibles.......HUGE THREAT!
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