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Girl Beaten Unconscious Over Bus Seat: Cops

OpportunityCost said:
Little story about when I was a kid. I was 11 and I was having some bullying troubles on the bus. Nothing I couldnt habdle but I knew that if I was dealing with 5 or 6 kids I would not be winning that sort of problem. So I picked out the guy that I knew was pretty much the ringleader and told him when we get off this bus, Im going to stomp your ass, just you and me...I dont care if I have to walk 20 blocks to get home, you are not going to give me **** all day and get away with it.

So we get into it, hes bigger than me, longer reach and stronger, but hes a clumsy bastard so I got inside on him after taking a few hits and pummeled the hell out of him after I got inside his reach. At this point we are both getting pretty tore up and an adult comes running over and asks who started it. The bigger guy looks at me and points at me and says I did.

I look at the adult and I say damn right I did, this guy and 5 of his buddies were bullying me on the bus, all Im doing is standing up for myself. The guy told the bigger kid to get his ass home and then made sure I was alright. It was the bigger kid's father, who thanked me for teaching his son that a lesson in respect puntuated by a black eye tends to stick better than one punctuated with a period.

No one ever gave me **** after that, because it wasnt worth getting bloodied up over. Which I had shown I was determined to do if I was given crap by anyone. Most of those kids actually became friends later and learned that bullying someone wasnt worth it and pushes people away that could be good friends. Im not saying thats how everyone should deal with it, but if it happened more often bullies would not grow so brazen in their attempts.
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Today you might be sued for defending yourself.
 
mike2810 said:
What? are you being sarcastic?
The only thing I agree on is the kids and family need help or something. IMO, govt may be part of the solution. The real solution starts at home with the parents.
As someone else said sometimes people will be scum no matter what we do.
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Well, yes, I made an attempt to be sarcastic except with the last line. The further away we move from personal responsibility, the worse things will get.
 
GreenvilleGrows said:
Well, yes, I made an attempt to be sarcastic except with the last line. The further away we move from personal responsibility, the worse things will get.
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I agree. I believe in personal responsibility. the kids who did the beating need to be held accountable.
 
sharon said:
The driver pulled over, stopped and broke up the fight.. but as soon as he/she started driving again.. the beating began again.. Driver stated he knew he couldn't control the situation and so drove to a place of safety and assistance.
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This bus driver should not be allowed to transport the elderly to their doctors appointments.

The victim said someone threw a shoe at her and she threw one back, according to an arrest report.

The following took place and the driver was aware; what a numbskull.

One girl allegedly asked students if they wanted to hit the victim, then instructed the teens to form a circle and began hitting and kicking the victim. Several witnesses said they saw the girl fall to the floor and "appear to have a seizure and pass out," according to the arrest report.
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Aunt Spiker said:
Disgusting . . . school bus bullying and violence is escalating while in-school bullying and violence is under 'attempted quelching'
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No. It's really not. Over reported? Sure. Escalating? Hardly. As a matter of fact school violence(that includes school bus violence) has been in declined for 20 years.
 
Just as an update: the bus driver did end up resigning. What he didn't do was pull over and bring the kid up front and protect her. The shocking video (and I've seen quite a bit and concerts and other places) surprised me because a girl almost got killed for asking for a seat on the bus. But the assailants were girls!

The lamestream barely covered this, the establishment didn't want it playing on CNN all week as another national embarrassment like the failed Katrina rescure, or the oil spill, or the police beating OWS and students.

But anyway, I think it must be the violent video games. This is a group lynching. This type of group behavior has to be conditioned. Like TV or something? Just a thought.
 
Country at war puzzled by violent offspring.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Disgusting . . . school bus bullying and violence is escalating while in-school bullying and violence is under 'attempted quelching'

We've had countless issues with the kids and buses - they know there's no one watching and little can and will be done to stop their behavior. . . and bus drivers rarely manage to keep things under control.

Would they consider hiring assistance on each bus?

Hell no - they don't care that much about the safety of our kids.
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The way it is here is that most buses have assistance til they get to High School and then they do not seem to care. Also here any teachers aides, cafeteria workers and cleaners must get a bus dl to be hired on. So a lot ot times the person driving the bus could care less as that is not their "real" school system job. There should be at least one helper on each of these buses and every bus driver should be hired on fulltime. Of course most public school system budgets are crap right now so that does not happen.
 
Many things can be thought about and discussed on how to fix this so it doesn't continue to happen but why bother? It all begins at home. Kids that gang up on and attack a lone kid have a problem and it isn't the bus drivers or the schools. It's from home and lack of parenting in some form or another. Maybe more parents should shoot tv's, game consoles and laptops with hollow points because the crap being done today as punishment (i.e. time outs, groundings, etc) sure doesn't seem to be working very well.
 
Kane said:
[video]http://video.perthnow.com.au/2190888241/Orlando-school-bus-beating[/video]
Talk about Planet of the Apes!

(AP) – "Seven central Florida teenagers were arrested after authorities said they punched and kicked a 13-year-old until she was unconscious while on a school bus. The victim told authorities that yesterday was her first time riding the bus and no one would let her sit down. About 75 children were riding the bus bound for a middle school in Ocala, a rural city north of Orlando."

Girl Beaten Unconscious Over Bus Seat: Cops - 7 teens charged with battery, disorderly conduct
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And people are stating that the dad that made the video because his daughter acted up is an irresponsible parent when we've got crap like this going on. :roll:
 
Enola said:
Many things can be thought about and discussed on how to fix this so it doesn't continue to happen but why bother? It all begins at home. Kids that gang up on and attack a lone kid have a problem and it isn't the bus drivers or the schools. It's from home and lack of parenting in some form or another. Maybe more parents should shoot tv's, game consoles and laptops with hollow points because the crap being done today as punishment (i.e. time outs, groundings, etc) sure doesn't seem to be working very well.
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lol great minds think alike. I made my above post without reading a bit of the thread.
 
Kal'Stang said:
lol great minds think alike. I made my above post without reading a bit of the thread.
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Hollow points. Sometimes they are the best answer. :mrgreen:
 
Enola said:
Many things can be thought about and discussed on how to fix this so it doesn't continue to happen but why bother? It all begins at home. Kids that gang up on and attack a lone kid have a problem and it isn't the bus drivers or the schools. It's from home and lack of parenting in some form or another. Maybe more parents should shoot tv's, game consoles and laptops with hollow points because the crap being done today as punishment (i.e. time outs, groundings, etc) sure doesn't seem to be working very well.
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And.. Maybe some parents need to stop beating the crap out of their kids, sexually abusing them, using public humiliation as a form of punishment, etc. The list can go on and on. It is pretty clear that a lot of parents are a failure and a lot of times these big bad bullies are getting beat and raped at home by their own parents:(
 
Bus Drivers fault for not stopping it.
My bus route goes through the ghetto. Anything starts happening the driver pulls over and sorts it out before fists and shanks come out.
EX. First few days of school a brawl broke out in the back of the bus between some "gangstas". He went back there and PHYSICALLY broke it up.
 
Hollow points can come from hollow minds too. Just a sayin':2wave::mrgreen::2razz: Kidding with you two;)
 
Kane said:
But anyway, I think it must be the violent video games. This is a group lynching. This type of group behavior has to be conditioned. Like TV or something? Just a thought.
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Always gotta blame inanimate objects. :roll:

Why not put the blame where it actually belongs? Like the parents and the people in the government that has basically put a strangle hold on a parents ability to properly raise thier child. And on Dr. Phil. That is one person that I would love to go back in time and shoot in the head the second they were born. His ideals on how to raise children is a big part of the reason that parents are no longer able to manage thier children.

What I find funny is the fact that there are a million and one books on how to raise a child. And not one is applicable to every single child in one town...much less the whole world.
 
nota bene said:
Links please?

APHA: No Bullies on Board: Putting the Brakes on School Bus Bullying
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Youth Violence Project - National Statistics

Contrary to public perception, violent crime in schools has declined dramatically since 1994. The annual rate of serious violent crime in 2007 (40 per 1,000 students)was less than half of the rate in 1994. These data are victim reports collected as part of the National Crime Victimization Survey and are not derived from school records.
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Youth Violence Project - Survey Hoax

Facts: The rate of violent crimes in U.S. public schools has declined since 1994 (Defoe et al., 2002). The serious violent crime rate (total number of murders, aggravated assaults, robberies, and rapes per 100,000 students) in 2001 was less than half what it was in 1994.
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Fast Facts

Between 1995 and 2007, the percentage of students who feared attack or harm at school decreased from 12 to 5 percent. Between the two most recent survey years, 2005 and 2007, the percentage of students who feared attack or harm at school decreased from 6 percent to 5 percent. Away from school, there was no pattern of increase or decrease in the percentage of students who feared attack or harm between 1999 and 2007. However, the percentage of students who feared attack or harm away from school was smaller in 2007 (3 percent) than in 2005 (5 percent).
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Enola said:
The bus driver is an idiot and should be fined for accessory to attempted murder. What else could it be called?
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It's a sad story but the Bus Driver shouldn't be held fully accountable. His job is stressful enough without having to babysit 75 kids.

If anyone should be blamed it should be the parents for raising such barbaric children.
 
Risky Thicket said:
In addition, I would tell you that I'm tired of that crap. Good and well raised children, regardless of family income, do NOT trump thug behavior. Bad kids do not become good kids by attending school with well behaved children. It doesn't work that way.

I am to the point where I believe that private schools funded by vouchers are the only way. If your kid ****s up enough and gets the boot, adios. That means my children have the opportunity to attend schools where learning might actually take place. Base enrollment on continued favorable behavior, that is equality.
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The problem with that "adios" is that the kid doesn't just then vanish away. He's burglarizing your garage.
There are no one-liner solutions unfortunately. If we give parents and schools lots of power, next thing we know is parents and schools are beating kids. If we don't, then they have no control. The government tells parents all the things they can't do, then everyone blames the parents. Whichever you go, people bitch about the inevitable excesses.
 
Sparky said:
It's a sad story but the Bus Driver shouldn't be held fully accountable. His job is stressful enough without having to babysit 75 kids.

If anyone should be blamed it should be the parents for raising such barbaric children.
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Uhhh, I guess I have this bizarre notion that who you blame is the criminal teens and kids. They should be given a harsh experience of what being locked in a cell is like and then given the choice of walking to and from school from now on - or if refusing spending the day in solitary - no TV, not radio - their choice.

I'm sick of hearing "blame the parents!" to give the little brats a pass. Depending on the jurisdiction, the government actually gives parents very little authority now before it becomes criminal assault, criminal abuse etc. - basically allowing parents the only choice of telling the kid "go to your room" - as if that is punishment - and hoping the kid does it. Government does not allow the parental fear factor anymore IF it should to be necessary.
 
Kali said:
And.. Maybe some parents need to stop beating the crap out of their kids, sexually abusing them, using public humiliation as a form of punishment, etc. The list can go on and on. It is pretty clear that a lot of parents are a failure and a lot of times these big bad bullies are getting beat and raped at home by their own parents:(
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Actually, while absolutely that happens, I also think a problem is parents who just dont' give a damn and gave up on being a parent long ago. So instead they just try to cajole the kid until hopefully she/he leaves home.

However, both kids and adults getting into fights is as old as humanity itself.
 
Ocala Florida is a very messed up area of highly conflicting personalities and relative affluence becoming extreme levels of foreclosures and business closings. Its old KKK territory intermixed with Snowbird Yankee retirees and overwhelmingly white. Alot of different things are clashing into each other from all different directions there.

If you are looking for a great house at a low price and really dislike cold weather, its a good potential. Only save enough in your budget to buy burglar bars for the windows. A pet pitbull a good idea too.
 
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