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Girl Beaten Unconscious Over Bus Seat: Cops

solletica said:
There may be more to this incident than the information provided in the OP. What was the motive behind the beating? Did she do something that hurt some other students?
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Oh... welcome. You said something smart.
Apparently according to most people in this thread students beat other students because they are evil and living in a lord of the flies state.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Then give me the context..... of 12 year olds in jail. A jail for 12 year olds?
And the death penalty for 12 year old..... are you going to create some sort of lethal injection chamber modeled for tots?
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And there you go doing it again. Tots have nothing to do with the debate. All you are doing is offering a Red Herring.

The context is that he said jail. You added the "general population" part and that term is used for adult prisons. There are juvenile detention centers for minors. I have taught in them. They are real. Kids are in them for all sorts of terrible crimes.

The context is that he said that he supported the death penalty for minors. You added the "throw a bus load of kids in and subject them to the death penalty" part. He didn't say kids that beat kids unconscious deserve death, just that he supported death for minors. With a lack of more information the default position would be to think that he is talking about kids that murder the same as it is with adults.

You are taking things out of context and applying the illogical and fallicious thought process known as a Straw Man. You are misprepresenting his views to make them look weaker than they are and you are doing this either willingly or ignorantly. Either way it is silly.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Oh... welcome. You said something smart.
Apparently according to most people in this thread students beat other students because they are evil and living in a lord of the flies state.
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Right... because multiple people beating one person into the state of unconsciousness is so civilized.

Dude, you are pure comedy! :lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
The context is that he said that he supported the death penalty for minors. You added the "throw a bus load of kids in and subject them to the death penalty" part. He didn't say kids that beat kids unconscious deserve death, just that he supported death for minors. With a lack of more information the default position would be to think that he is talking about kids that murder the same as it is with adults.
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No ****...

I will continue with my position that I support donkeyfisting as it is slightly less absurd.
 
Now on to other things... will the execution chamber for minors fit toddler, tween, and teen alike?
 
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solletica said:
There may be more to this incident than the information provided in the OP. What was the motive behind the beating? Did she do something that hurt some other students?
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Why would that matter? This is what I don't get. A crime is a crime is a crime. Abuse is abuse is abuse. Killing is killing is killing. ETC...

If she had hurt someone else then let it be addressed properly. There is no need to cause more violence.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why is holding children accountable for their actions "absurd"? As a parent I have found that this produces quality children that are growing into respectful and responsible young people. He started out with jail. You added the "general population". I taught at a juvenile detention center and the kids there certainly deserved it. What is wrong with jail for kids that beat other kids unconscious?
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Listen to yourself "produces quality children". Are you growing tomatoes or carrots? or is it more like an Orwellian thing, where goals in life are predetermined and you must meet certain expectations or off to the farm with you?

Children should not be something you mold, you get all your icky hang-ups all over the clay.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
No ****...

I will continue with my position that I support donkeyfisting as it is slightly less absurd.
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Why is supporting death for minors absurd. I asked you this and you only ranted. Care to debate or will you just continue to be a side show?
 
taxigirl said:
Listen to yourself "produces quality children". Are you growing tomatoes or carrots? or is it more like an Orwellian thing, where goals in life are predetermined and you must meet certain expectations or off to the farm with you?

Children should not be something you mold, you get all your icky hang-ups all over the clay.
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Of course children are something that we mold. When you have kids you will understand. Until then I can see that explaining it to you will be a waste of time.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Now on to other things... will the execution chamber for minors fit toddler, tween, and teen alike?
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One needle fits all, as we used to say...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Of course children are something that we mold. When you have kids you will understand. Until then I can see that explaining it to you will be a waste of time.
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If you want a mini-me then "mold" away. If you want to raise an individual let them discover who they are.
 
taxigirl said:
If you want a mini-me then "mold" away. If you want to raise an individual let them discover who they are.
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That is obviously not how it works... the two most assuredly overlap. Perhaps you look at things a little to black and white?
 
solletica said:
There may be more to this incident than the information provided in the OP. What was the motive behind the beating? Did she do something that hurt some other students?
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This may help...

Ocala School Bus Fight
 
taxigirl said:
Why would that matter? This is what I don't get. A crime is a crime is a crime. Abuse is abuse is abuse. Killing is killing is killing. ETC...
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Totally false. US soldiers kill thousands per year all over the world, and it's not a crime. Guantanamo inmates are abused daily, and it's not a crime.

The relevant issue is not the legality of the act under US law, but rather its ethical nature. If the girl did something that significantly hurt other students, then her getting beaten back by others would be considered proportional retaliation which is ethical.

taxigirl said:
If she had hurt someone else then let it be addressed properly. There is no need to cause more violence.
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True, the students' actions were illogical (dumb), but if it was in retaliation for something else, it would still be considered fair, even if that amounts to nothing in the end.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Do I have to respond to this? Are you serious?
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To the first one if you like... yes. The second I thought would pretty much be understood as an obvious joke.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Adults cannot touch children and apparently most children know that these days. It would be a good idea to have an adult on each bus but as soon as the kids determined that the adult have no real power it wouldn't matter.
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This.

Kids have been educating themselves for the past decade or two, not in school mind you, but on the internet. They've discovered that if an adult touches them, they can scream "rape or assault" and the adult would be the one hauled off. Kids have also learned, under the nurturing guidance of their clueless, doting parents, that those same parents will believe them over any adult who dares defame the little liar.

This **** has to change. My god, a kid beaten unconscious with uniformed mall security watching from two feet away, and now this? It's unconscionable.
 
DiAnna said:
This.

Kids have been educating themselves for the past decade or two, not in school mind you, but on the internet. They've discovered that if an adult touches them, they can scream "rape or assault" and the adult would be the one hauled off. Kids have also learned, under the nurturing guidance of their clueless, doting parents, that those same parents will believe them over any adult who dares defame the little liar.

This **** has to change. My god, a kid beaten unconscious with uniformed mall security watching from two feet away, and now this? It's unconscionable.
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I beleive this has been going on for many years with a greater degree of frequency beginning in the 1960 or so.
 
DiAnna said:
This.

Kids have been educating themselves for the past decade or two, not in school mind you, but on the internet. They've discovered that if an adult touches them, they can scream "rape or assault" and the adult would be the one hauled off. Kids have also learned, under the nurturing guidance of their clueless, doting parents, that those same parents will believe them over any adult who dares defame the little liar.

This **** has to change. My god, a kid beaten unconscious with uniformed mall security watching from two feet away, and now this? It's unconscionable.
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You can touch kids in order to stop them from being hurt or hurting others. Kids can scream all they want and it gets them nothing. I have grabbed kids and even got one in a wrist lock to stop them from hurting others and the police were just fine with it. I agree that the stupid parents are a part of the problem though. I have been yelled at by mothers at the park when I told their kids to get off the slide so that the smaller kids could actually slide on the slide since the older kids (8 years old or so) were climbing up it or just sitting there and no 5 year old is gonna say anything to them. So I did. The older kids didn't care at all. They seemed a little shocked that a random parent was telling them what to do and expected compliance since the moms were sitting on the bench drinking coffee and not playing with their kids... but once the moms saw this they literally yelled at me. I calmly scolded the meanest mom quite firmly about parenting, neglect and allowing their kids to intimdate smaller kids and that shut the loudest one up. I was shocked in the long run though and still think about that incident almost 10 years on now.
 
Hatuey said:
No. It's really not. Over reported? Sure. Escalating? Hardly. As a matter of fact school violence(that includes school bus violence) has been in declined for 20 years.
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I agree that it isnt 'escalating.' The primary difference is that today we have cell phones and videos to capture the things that have been happening...well...forever.
 
VanceMack said:
I agree that it isnt 'escalating.' The primary difference is that today we have cell phones and videos to capture the things that have been happening...well...forever.
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Good points to you and Hatuey.

Some things are rising though... like organized fight clubs in schools and videoing a beat down of a kid invited to a sleepover, but other than that it is just that video gets attention.
 
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