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Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

Dude...

(1) Every person has the right to life.

(2) The life of a person begins at conception.

(3) A person shall not be deprived of life intentionally, except to the extent authorized by this Constitution or other written law.



Alright, #1 and #3 would be enough to allow for abortion if it were going to save the mother's life. Otherwise, why don't they put a #5 in there for siamese twins? Sometimes, you have to separate them or both will die. So the doctor picks the strongest one. It's sad, but it happens. I don't see how that's any different from our hypothetical abortion case here.


Now look at this...

(4) Abortion is not permitted unless, in the opinion of a trained health professional, there is a need for emergency treatment, or the life or health of the mother is in danger, or if permitted by any other written law.

So not only is it allowed when the life of the mother is in danger, but now also any case where a trained health professional (not even a doctor, could be just any nurse) sees the need for "emergency treatment" which is a vague term that can be bent any way a good lawyer wants to bend it.

If that weren't enough, you also have the last bolded part, which allows for any law to be written in the future that explicitly allows other types of abortion, and sets no boundaries on it.

So that's what I mean by jamming their foot in the door.

1-3 does not grant the right for a woman to have an abortion if medically necessary, it just doesn't, and you can't pretend that it does. The 4th bullet does, plain and simple. And the last little section of that is kind of redundant, because new laws can be passed all the time.
 
1-3 does not grant the right for a woman to have an abortion if medically necessary, it just doesn't, and you can't pretend that it does.

It doesn't prohibit it. That's all that's necessary.

To use an analogy, 1-3 don't grant a Kenyan the right to own property either. That doesn't mean they can't do it.

The 4th bullet does, plain and simple. And the last little section of that is kind of redundant, because new laws can be passed all the time.

It does all those other things I said as well.

ANY trained health professional (doesn't matter HOW trained, it could be a mail in GED course) sees the need for "emergency treatment" (whatever that means)... boom, the abortion is legal.

ANY law can be written in the future that allows other types of abortion. So all they need to do is elect one liberal government, and it's free abortions for all Kenyans.
 
I see no reason why a Kenyan citizen should not be concerned about the Constitutional Laws in his country of birth.
 
He shouldn't have been spending money on a foreign law PR campaign which would in no way affect life in the United States or protection of US citizens in that foreign area. The subject matter of that campaign is otherwise irrelevant.


Yeah like aide to Pakistan, Israel and loads of other countries, not to mention military interventionist policies. How does aids to any of those countries affect "life in the United States or protection of US citizens in that foreign area" before the US started the wars?
 
In summary, Obama used YOUR tax dollars to INTERVENE in another country to get them to CHANGE THEIR CONSTITUTION to allow abortion.

This is the left, folks.

No, it's bullcrap.

And people like you fall for it.

Find a real news agency that can back that story up.

It's all about hate Obama this year. Every wingnut and conspiracy theory birther a-hole is going to come out of the woodwork.

The Dark side of the first amendment. We need some libel laws like Europe.
 
The Dark side of the first amendment. We need some libel laws like Europe.


Meh it seems like even in Europe News Corp. can find a way around those laws.
 
He shouldn't have been spending money on a foreign law PR campaign which would in no way affect life in the United States or protection of US citizens in that foreign area. The subject matter of that campaign is otherwise irrelevant.

He's perfectly free to spend his own money in such a manner, if he wishes.

It is entirely inappropriate for him to be spending taxpayer money in such a manner.
 
You find it irrelevant? I think a lot of people out there don't know about this and they deserve to know. Especially given what has transpired the last couple days with the Catholic Church and Obamacare.

People need to know what Obama and the left are all about.

I think the Catholic church has more pressing problems than Obama.... Namely priests who like to have sex with little boys. :mrgreen:
 
He's perfectly free to spend his own money in such a manner, if he wishes.

It is entirely inappropriate for him to be spending taxpayer money in such a manner.

Obama doesn't control how much tax payer money is used. He proposes a bill, congress either approves or disapproves. Congress seems to have approved appropriating these funds under foreign policy spending. Take it up with them.
 
How much money did Bush spend on the post-Saddam Iraqi Constitution? I'm trying to remember, but it was probably more than $23 million.
 
Seriously? This again?
 
How can someone be for abortion in some cases, and against abortion in others?

Quite easily, actually. If your question is genuine rather than rhetorical, here's a hint of an answer for you:

Humankind is not a big hive mind. ANYONE basing their stance on abortion on a basis different from your own...is working from a principle at least slightly different from yours.

Really, once you acknowledge that the global human population is NOT 1 (i.e., just you), the answer to your question is simple and obvious.
 
Quite easily, actually. If your question is genuine rather than rhetorical, here's a hint of an answer for you:

Humankind is not a big hive mind. ANYONE basing their stance on abortion on a basis different from your own...is working from a principle at least slightly different from yours.

Really, once you acknowledge that the global human population is NOT 1 (i.e., just you), the answer to your question is simple and obvious.

Is there something resembling a point buried in there? I'm not finding it.

Once again, if you believe that life begins at conception, how can you say that abortion in the case of rape (for instance) is justified? Handing out a death sentence to an innocent victim for the crime of another is hardly justice.
 
Nice spin.

We still paid $23 million dollars to influence the Kenyan constitution in a way that made it more pro-abortion than it was.

Good.. its money well spent.. Emerging nations need to deal with women's health.
 
Good.. its money well spent.. Emerging nations need to deal with women's health.

Women's health? LOL that's a euphemism if I've ever heard one. What about this makes it a women's HEALTH issue? Is a baby a form of cancer?

It does pertain to the health of the unborn child, I can see that side of the argument.
 
Women's health? LOL that's a euphemism if I've ever heard one. What about this makes it a women's HEALTH issue? Is a baby a form of cancer?

It does pertain to the health of the unborn child, I can see that side of the argument.

Family planning, Birth control, abortion, Aids prevention.. Money well spent..

23 million? chump change compared to what we pay Egypt and Israel.
 
Family planning, Birth control, abortion, Aids prevention.. Money well spent..

23 million? chump change compared to what we pay Egypt and Israel.

I can already tell... you and I are going to get along famously.
 
How can someone be for abortion in some cases, and against abortion in others?

If I'm against abortion, that's because I believe that an unborn baby is a human being, and that terminating an unborn baby is killing another human being.

The life of the baby and the life of the mother are equal in my mind.

And this is why I will always vote Democrat to keep extreme positions like this from ever taking hold. I'm shaking my head.

Bee
 
Is there something resembling a point buried in there? I'm not finding it.

You're absolutely right about that. It's right there in the open, and yet you're not only managing to completely miss it, but you then go and repeat a question my point answers.

Once again, if you believe that life begins at conception,

See that word in bold? YOU wrote that. It's like you're standing neck deep in water at the beach, and asking "where's the ocean?"

Hint: not everyone shares your notion that life beings at conception.

It's almost like not everyone is operating on the same principle as you. Wait a second! I actually already pointed that possibility out to you...

From my previous post:

(cmakaioz):
Humankind is not a big hive mind. ANYONE basing their stance on abortion on a basis different from your own...is working from a principle at least slightly different from yours.

Really, once you acknowledge that the global human population is NOT 1 (i.e., just you), the answer to your question is simple and obvious.
 
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How can someone be for abortion in some cases, and against abortion in others?

If I'm against abortion, that's because I believe that an unborn baby is a human being, and that terminating an unborn baby is killing another human being.

The life of the baby and the life of the mother are equal in my mind.

What about the other children of the mother? Should they be left motherless because of pregnancy gone wrong.. or do you ever THINK?
 
And this is why I will always vote Democrat to keep extreme positions like this from ever taking hold. I'm shaking my head.

Bee

You're right, they should give abortions away with happy meals at mcdonalds. Get a big mac, off a baby...
 
You're right, they should give abortions away with happy meals at mcdonalds. Get a big mac, off a baby...

Hahaha. You're so dishonest it's almost cute. Can I adopt you? Pleaaaaase! :)
 
Hahaha. You're so dishonest it's almost cute. Can I adopt you? Pleaaaaase! :)

You convinced me, I'm pro abortion now. Now let's play the "who should have been an abortion" game...

If only we had a time machine so I could go back and talk to your mother...
 
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