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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    True, but only a perverted hack with no sense of maturity would go so far as to bash him for things like this. Contrary to the very ignorant beliefs of many fools here, the President does not spend money. Congress does. Furthermore, expenditures like this one are wrapped into huge bills that no reasonable president will ever veto merely to stop a tiny expenditure for something he probably has no idea what it's for.
    Of course Congress holds the purse strings, but the President sets the agenda.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So how many Presidents have taken responsibility for the overuse of toilet paper by Federal employees? So how many Presidents have taken responsibility for the wasted time of Federal employees eating their boogers? Seriously, the further down this path you go, the more and more insane you appear. I can keep making more and more examples that honestly have more of an impact then your little pathetic attempt at a rant here.
    I'm not talking about toilet paper, unless it's gold plated, diamond studded, and going for around 23 million big ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    Except that your argument requires that a President know everything that the government is doing at every second of every day and its their responsibility to stop the little things partisan hacks like you will pounce on for no other reason then you dislike Obama.

    I was on Whistlestopper during the worst of the Bush years. And I never saw someone levy something as stupid as this at Bush.
    No, it doesn't. Something like this should have caught his attention.

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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Twenty three million? Haha. Do you know what 23 million is to this administration? A weekend trip for Michelle.

    Obama wasting money is hardly "breaking news". You'd have to be blind, deaf, dumb, or a Kool-aider to not know that these bastards spend tax money like water.
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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Of course Congress holds the purse strings, but the President sets the agenda.
    Except that the President does not write laws. By your stupid measure, everything that went bad from 2001 to 2009 is Bush's fault. Not even the most whacked out leftist here would agree with that.

    I'm not talking about toilet paper, unless it's gold plated, diamond studded, and going for around 23 million big ones.
    Considering the number of Federal workers, toilet paper costs easily run into the double digit millions for the year.

    No, it doesn't. Something like this should have caught his attention.
    Now this is insane. In a budget of $2.7 trillion or so, not to mention all of the off balance sheet financing that occurs, you expect him to search for what amounts to a rounding error?

    Furthermore, the allocation was for the Constitution as a whole. You really expect someone with that busy of a schedule to ask exactly what MIGHT happen with the money?

    That kind of partisan horse **** makes you not worth discussing anything with. Not even the most whacked out leftist here would hold Bush to that standard.
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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except that the President does not write laws. By your stupid measure, everything that went bad from 2001 to 2009 is Bush's fault. Not even the most whacked out leftist here would agree with that.
    I said the President sets the agenda, I never said he writes laws.

    Furthermore, any policy that originated with or was signed in to law by the White House in 2001 to 2009 is absolutely attributable to President Bush, directly or indirectly.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    Considering the number of Federal workers, toilet paper costs easily run into the double digit millions for the year.
    If president Obama signed a law ordering millions to be spent on toilet paper, or if he appointed an agency or tzar to authorize regulations that required the purchase of 23 million dollar toilet paper, then Obama would be ultimately responsible.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    Now this is insane. In a budget of $2.7 trillion or so, not to mention all of the off balance sheet financing that occurs, you expect him to search for what amounts to a rounding error?

    Furthermore, the allocation was for the Constitution as a whole. You really expect someone with that busy of a schedule to ask exactly what MIGHT happen with the money?

    That kind of partisan horse **** makes you not worth discussing anything with. Not even the most whacked out leftist here would hold Bush to that standard.

    My concern is not with the amount of money spent. My concern is with the implicit assumption that the United States Government has the moral authority to directly influence a foreign nation in such a way as to alter their constitution, and that we would then abuse this moral authority in such a way that we would use it to add provisions to their constitution which allow abortions to be performed.

    You see, it's clearly a question of ethics, not spending.

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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I said the President sets the agenda, I never said he writes laws.

    Furthermore, any policy that originated with or was signed in to law by the White House in 2001 to 2009 is absolutely attributable to President Bush, directly or indirectly.



    If president Obama signed a law ordering millions to be spent on toilet paper, or if he appointed an agency or tzar to authorize regulations that required the purchase of 23 million dollar toilet paper, then Obama would be ultimately responsible.




    My concern is not with the amount of money spent. My concern is with the implicit assumption that the United States Government has the moral authority to directly influence a foreign nation in such a way as to alter their constitution, and that we would then abuse this moral authority in such a way that we would use it to add provisions to their constitution which allow abortions to be performed.

    You see, it's clearly a question of ethics, not spending.
    It's not an "implicit assumption."
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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What concerns me the most is that 50 million abortions have been performed in the United States since Roe v Wade. How many of those were done because the mother's life was legitimately in danger? Very few....

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    Many, many women's lifes were in danger before Roe, before legal, safer abortions were an option in the US the women used illegal abortions. They were often done either by the patient herself or by an abortionist — often unknowing, unskilled and in an
    unsanitary setting.

    from a MD's Essay:

    Repairing the Damage, Before Roe
    The worst case I saw, and one I hope no one else will ever have to face, was that of a nurse who was admitted with what looked like a partly delivered umbilical cord. Yet as soon as we examined her, we realized that what we thought was the cord was in fact part of her intestine, which had been hooked and torn by whatever implement had been used in the abortion. It took six hours of surgery to remove the infected uterus and ovaries and repair the part of the bowel that was still functional.

    It is important to remember that Roe v. Wade did not mean that abortions could be performed. They have always been done, dating from ancient Greek days.

    What Roe said was that ending a pregnancy could be carried out by medical personnel, in a medically accepted setting, thus conferring on women, finally, the full rights of first-class citizens — and freeing their doctors to treat them as such.
    Essay - Doctor Recalls Abortion Complications Before Roe v. Wade - NYTimes.com
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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not an "implicit assumption."
    Pete is off his rocker. Not even the most whacked out hacks on Whistlestopper would do what he's doing here.
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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Many, many women's lifes were in danger before Roe, before legal, safer abortions were an option in the US the women used illegal abortions. They were often done either by the patient herself or by an abortionist — often unknowing, unskilled and in an
    unsanitary setting.

    from a MD's Essay:

    Repairing the Damage, Before Roe


    Essay - Doctor Recalls Abortion Complications Before Roe v. Wade - NYTimes.com
    These women should have been educated about adoption.

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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not an "implicit assumption."
    Do explain please.

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    Re: Obama Has Spent $23 Million Backing Pro-Abortion Kenya Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent
    Bitterness towards the government is no excuse for racism. It is still disgusting.
    Great. Show me the racism in my post. Otherwise, you prove my point.

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