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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

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    The real issue is that governments should never have taken on that responsibility in the first place. Once you provide a feeding trough for the people, they get really pissed when it's taken away.
    THat is just theory not based on any sort of evidence. SO we will leave that debate alone.
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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Only if the lack of nurses is directly tied to patients not receiving their antibiotics as prescribed.
    Like teh article said, they are getting the anti-biotics. But the issue is that the lack of nurses is leading to more mistakes, not fewer anti-biotics.
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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

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    Which is what we are seeing in Europe now, with the removal of more government expenditures there is a direct correlation to that societal chaos increasing.
    They set up their system stupidly.

    They now have the choice of either salvaging what they can or watching the entire house of cards collapse. And then there will be mass chaos.

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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

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    Like teh article said, they are getting the anti-biotics. But the issue is that the lack of nurses is leading to more mistakes, not fewer anti-biotics.
    If they are getting the antibiotics, the nursing isn't the issue. If there are mistakes, then what kind of mistakes? Are they getting the wrong antibiotics?
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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

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    THat is just theory not based on any sort of evidence. SO we will leave that debate alone.
    No, it is intricately tied in with the issue. Government is cutting back and instituting austerity measures. This is the result of social spending policy when it's no longer sustainable.
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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No, it is intricately tied in with the issue. Government is cutting back and instituting austerity measures. This is the result of social spending policy when it's no longer sustainable.
    It is the result of Europe's Central Bank being a flawed system and Greece not being monetarily sovereign.
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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If they are getting the antibiotics, the nursing isn't the issue. If there are mistakes, then what kind of mistakes? Are they getting the wrong antibiotics?
    I think you need to read the article, it explains the issue. The issue isn't anti-biotics, but prevention and stopping the spread of bacteria. It goes into detail in how a lack of nurses contributes to this.
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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    It is the result of Europe's Central Bank being a flawed system and Greece not being monetarily sovereign.
    While i agree with you, Greece did about the dumbest thing a nation could do given their monetary circumstances and lack of a viable internal growth engine: continued deficits during periods of the countries largest economic expansion since antiquity.
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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

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    While i agree with you, Greece did about the dumbest thing a nation could do given their monetary circumstances and lack of a viable internal growth engine: continued deficits during periods of the countries largest economic expansion since antiquity.
    Well are they really to blame for their economic collapse? Most of the collapse is due to private held debt.

    Their error in judgement was in entering the EU.
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    Re: Austerity leads to higher death rates.

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    A story in Bloomberg illustrates how the combination of budgets slashed thanks to austerity policies leads directly to deaths. The Wall Street Journal described last year how distress in the Greek economy had produced a significant increase in suicides. A new Bloomberg story recounts how severe cutbacks in hospital staffing have enabled superbugs that is hard to combat even under normal circumstances to inflict even more fatalities than usual in Greek hospitals. An ugly side to this problem is that overreliance on antibiotics in Greece created the conditions that helped these potent infectious agents to develop.

    I don’t know about you, but this has a Dickensian sound to it. People dying in due to chronic hospital understaffing sits uncomfortably with the pristine, efficient image of modern medicine. But this is far from the only instance where the crisis has served to reinstitute a more brutal social order.\

    The Wages of Austerity: Superbug Runs Wild in Greek Hospitals « naked capitalism

    In my opinion austerity is simply immoral and inhumane.
    Wow, you're amazing. You think govt's should continue spending money they don't have. Totally illogical.
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