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    While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited)

    Following is an exert from Obams speech on why we invaded Libya, after that is a link to what's happening in Syria. Can anyone explain why obama went into Libya but is content to let the same exact thing happen in Syria? Bush was accused of war for oil, could this be the same thing? USA doesn't get oil from Libya but remember, it's a world market.
    Confronted by this brutal repression and a looming humanitarian crisis, I ordered warships into the Mediterranean. European allies declared their willingness to commit resources to stop the killing. The Libyan opposition and the Arab League appealed to the world to save lives in Libya. And so at my direction, America led an effort with our allies at the United Nations Security Council to pass a historic resolution that authorized a no-fly zone to stop the regime’s attacks from the air, and further authorized all necessary measures to protect the Libyan people.
    Ten days ago, having tried to end the violence without using force, the international community offered Qaddafi a final chance to stop his campaign of killing, or face the consequences. Rather than stand down, his forces continued their advance, bearing down on the city of Benghazi, home to nearly 700,000 men, women and children who sought their freedom from fear.
    At this point, the United States and the world faced a choice. Qaddafi declared he would show “no mercy” to his own people. He compared them to rats, and threatened to go door to door to inflict punishment. In the past, we have seen him hang civilians in the streets, and kill over a thousand people in a single day. Now we saw regime forces on the outskirts of the city. We knew that if we wanted — if we waited one more day, Benghazi, a city nearly the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.
    It was not in our national interest to let that happen. I refused to let that happen. And so nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973.


    While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack : The Two-Way : NPR
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    Re: why not Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Following is an exert from Obams speech on why we invaded Libya, after that is a link to what's happening in Syria. Can anyone explain why obama went into Libya but is content to let the same exact thing happen in Syria? Bush was accused of war for oil, could this be the same thing? USA doesn't get oil from Libya but remember, it's a world market.
    Confronted by this brutal repression and a looming humanitarian crisis, I ordered warships into the Mediterranean. European allies declared their willingness to commit resources to stop the killing. The Libyan opposition and the Arab League appealed to the world to save lives in Libya. And so at my direction, America led an effort with our allies at the United Nations Security Council to pass a historic resolution that authorized a no-fly zone to stop the regime’s attacks from the air, and further authorized all necessary measures to protect the Libyan people.
    Ten days ago, having tried to end the violence without using force, the international community offered Qaddafi a final chance to stop his campaign of killing, or face the consequences. Rather than stand down, his forces continued their advance, bearing down on the city of Benghazi, home to nearly 700,000 men, women and children who sought their freedom from fear.
    At this point, the United States and the world faced a choice. Qaddafi declared he would show “no mercy” to his own people. He compared them to rats, and threatened to go door to door to inflict punishment. In the past, we have seen him hang civilians in the streets, and kill over a thousand people in a single day. Now we saw regime forces on the outskirts of the city. We knew that if we wanted — if we waited one more day, Benghazi, a city nearly the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.
    It was not in our national interest to let that happen. I refused to let that happen. And so nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973.


    While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack : The Two-Way : NPR
    Because Obama is afraid of war with Iran. Iran and Syria have a MPP and if either is attacked they other will come to her aid. Obama is a fraidy cat, basically.


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    Re: why not Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Because Obama is afraid of war with Iran. Iran and Syria have a MPP and if either is attacked they other will come to her aid. Obama is a fraidy cat, basically.


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    Syrian refugees are going into Turkey not Italy.. and European and US oil companies have NO capital invetments in Syria.

    Obama is smart not to attack Syria...

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    Re: why not Syria

    The Libyan intervention worked not because of any moral precepts, but because strategic factors made it possible. An intervention in Syria is a bad idea not because it is wrong but because it isn't workable. Assad is much stronger than Qadaffi, the rebels are less organized, the terrain isn't as suitable for airstrikes, no oil to provide international motivation, Syria has powerful allies ect. Good intentions don't mean much on the battlefield.

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    Re: why not Syria

    I'm not sure either was a good idea at this point, personally. It's waay to early to tell with Libya.

    However, if we applied the "why not" logic to every individual case, by rights we should be intervening in multiple countries in the middle east as well as half of sub-Saharan Africa.

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    Re: why not Syria

    There's a few major differences.

    1. Getting China and particularly Russia out of the way of a UN resolution is incredibly difficult, remember they were never on board with the Libyan mission, they simply abstained.

    2. Geographically Syria is alot harder to operate in. Libya is wide expanses of desert which allowed cities and towns to exchange hands incredibly quickly.

    3. Syria's resistance is not the same either, while there are pockets of armed resistance against the Assad regime, it's not strong enough, or organized enough even with multi-national airstrikes to combat the regime.

    Just a few of my thoughts for the time being.

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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Following is an exert from Obams speech on why we invaded Libya, after that is a link to what's happening in Syria. Can anyone explain why obama went into Libya but is content to let the same exact thing happen in Syria? Bush was accused of war for oil, could this be the same thing? USA doesn't get oil from Libya but remember, it's a world market.
    Confronted by this brutal repression and a looming humanitarian crisis, I ordered warships into the Mediterranean. European allies declared their willingness to commit resources to stop the killing. The Libyan opposition and the Arab League appealed to the world to save lives in Libya. And so at my direction, America led an effort with our allies at the United Nations Security Council to pass a historic resolution that authorized a no-fly zone to stop the regime’s attacks from the air, and further authorized all necessary measures to protect the Libyan people.
    Ten days ago, having tried to end the violence without using force, the international community offered Qaddafi a final chance to stop his campaign of killing, or face the consequences. Rather than stand down, his forces continued their advance, bearing down on the city of Benghazi, home to nearly 700,000 men, women and children who sought their freedom from fear.
    At this point, the United States and the world faced a choice. Qaddafi declared he would show “no mercy” to his own people. He compared them to rats, and threatened to go door to door to inflict punishment. In the past, we have seen him hang civilians in the streets, and kill over a thousand people in a single day. Now we saw regime forces on the outskirts of the city. We knew that if we wanted — if we waited one more day, Benghazi, a city nearly the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.
    It was not in our national interest to let that happen. I refused to let that happen. And so nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973.


    While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack : The Two-Way : NPR
    Not complicated. Syria doesn't have major deposits of OIL. We war with countries that will result in their OIL/resources moving into the USA, UK, and France distribution networks. Centralized Distribution of Energy = Centralized Collection of Monies. You have to pay back the big campaign donors.

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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    In Egypt, obama was right there with the freedom protesters. Egypt had been an Allie in the middle east.

    In Liby obama was right there with bombs and million dollar missiles. Qaddafifi had surrendered his nuke program to the US and was no threat to us whatsoever.

    In Iran the freedom protesters was virtually ignored by obama. Iran is a threat to us and the entire mid east.

    Now in Syria obama again does virtually nothing to help the freedom fighters. Syria has been a huge thorn in our side.All the reasons obama gave for bombing libya and launching 100s of million dollar missles exist in Syria except squared. If some reporter tries to trip up this rep candidate, whoever he is, by asking what the obama doctrine is they can legitimately say I have absolutely no idea.

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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Maybe Obama listened to all the conservatives criticising his actions, and decided not to do it again.
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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    'big oil' doesnt yet have a vested interest in syria as they did in libya before kadaffi threatened their profits. when they do, you can bet theyll send the us military in to stabilize it and maximize profits.

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