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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Obama would be wise to let this one go.
    The opposition in Syria is aligned with Al Quaeda, So it would be as though we were aligning the USA with the filth that murdered near 3000 souls on 9/11.

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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    For all of you convinced the Arab Spring is "spontaneous".

    "What then is the new anatomy of the great game? In the past, color revolutions were largely blueprinted in the offices of the political consultancies of "K" Street in Washington. But in the new format, the "technicians" attempting to shape the region [2] , hail directly from the US government: according to reports by senior official sources in the region, Jeffrey Feltman, a former ambassador in Lebanon, and presently assistant secretary of state, as chief coordinator [3], together with two former US ambassadors, Ron Schlicher and David Hale, who is also the new US Middle East Peace Envoy. "

    Asia Times Online :: The 'great game' in Syria

    Asia Times Online :: The shadow war in Syria

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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what we did in Libya, arm the rebels and offer air support. Its your continued skepticism that allows events like Rwanda and Darfur to unfold and then we all sit around afterwards and say " oh this is so terrible, never again"
    Air support will not accomplish much of anything at this phase. There is no unified opposition, only scattered pockets of armed resistance. Syria is also far more mountainous than Libya, making air support even more problematic. Perhaps when a more unified opposition takes on the government, air support will be a viable option, but as of now, it is not.
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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Air support will not accomplish much of anything at this phase. There is no unified opposition, only scattered pockets of armed resistance. Syria is also far more mountainous than Libya, making air support even more problematic. Perhaps when a more unified opposition takes on the government, air support will be a viable option, but as of now, it is not.
    "On Thursday, Russia’s vice-minister of defense, Anatoly Antonov, was quoted as saying on Russian television that Russian military personnel are deployed in various sites around Syria. (See here as well.) This is the first high-level confirmation of such an extensive Russian presence, and it is obviously not a random comment. The Russians are anxious to have it understood that if a Western-Arab coalition fires on Syria, it will hit Russians. In Antonov’s words, Russia “cannot remain indifferent.”

    Syria, Russia: It all looks different from out there « The Greenroom


    Interesting article. Believe Russia has political/financial/regional interests in supporting the current Syrian regime. They seem to be taking the position that Assad is simply a leader putting down a violent rebellion. Makes for an awkward situation with regard to the U.S. getting actively involved.

    Suspect this is an event (although tragic) that we (Americans) should and likely will stay out of....




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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    How the World Could—and Maybe Should—Intervene in Syria - Anne-Marie Slaughter - International - The Atlantic


    The second scenario is even worse. A full-fledged civil war in Syria could quickly become a proxy war between Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and/or at least some NATO countries on one side against Iran, Russia, Hizbollah, and possibly Iraq and Hamas on the other. That is a deeply dangerous and destabilizing prospect.



    Fourth, the intervention would have to receive the authorization of a majority of the members of the UN Security Council -- Russia, actively arming Assad, will probably never go along, no matter how necessary -- as an exercise of the responsibility to protect doctrine, with clear limits to how and against whom force could be used built into the resolution. Finally, Turkish and Arab troops would have to take the lead in creating zones to protect civilians, backed by NATO logistics and intelligence support if necessary.

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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Air support will not accomplish much of anything at this phase. There is no unified opposition, only scattered pockets of armed resistance. Syria is also far more mountainous than Libya, making air support even more problematic. Perhaps when a more unified opposition takes on the government, air support will be a viable option, but as of now, it is not.
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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Chemical weapons are rarely used, for their horrifying political repercussions. Using chemical weapons almost ensures a full-out war with NATO.
    Also, I doubt whether the Syrian Army is sufficiently equipped enough for chemical warfare
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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    "On Thursday, Russia’s vice-minister of defense, Anatoly Antonov, was quoted as saying on Russian television that Russian military personnel are deployed in various sites around Syria. (See here as well.) This is the first high-level confirmation of such an extensive Russian presence, and it is obviously not a random comment. The Russians are anxious to have it understood that if a Western-Arab coalition fires on Syria, it will hit Russians. In Antonov’s words, Russia “cannot remain indifferent.”

    Syria, Russia: It all looks different from out there « The Greenroom


    Interesting article. Believe Russia has political/financial/regional interests in supporting the current Syrian regime. They seem to be taking the position that Assad is simply a leader putting down a violent rebellion. Makes for an awkward situation with regard to the U.S. getting actively involved.

    Suspect this is an event (although tragic) that we (Americans) should and likely will stay out of....




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    yes we turks will involve instead of you ,i think you like this idea..

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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Maybe Obama listened to all the conservatives criticising his actions, and decided not to do it again.
    Maybe we don't want Obama to get our troops killed.

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    Re: While Gunfire Echoes Inside Syria, A Cry For Help From A City Under Attack(edited

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Maybe we don't want Obama to get our troops killed.
    so did you want other presidents to get your troops killed ?

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