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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

    This has nothing to do with the football. It has everything to do with the political reality of Egypt and the tribal systems that have been transported into the fanbase of sports teams.

    Violence between fans, players and fans and players is not that uncommon in most sports. Deaths on the other hand is rare, but we are talking about the biggest sport on the planet. Sure 50+ people died at a sport stadium, but considering that millions went to stadiums world wide yesterday alone then frankly it is a one off. More people die going to and from the sports arena than are killed at sport arenas.
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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

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    This has nothing to do with the football. It has everything to do with the political reality of Egypt and the tribal systems that have been transported into the fanbase of sports teams.
    They used to just call it the 'English disease' until most parts of the world, especially European fans, got a taste and started to enjoy violence as a pass time.

    Violence between fans, players and fans and players is not that uncommon in most sports. Deaths on the other hand is rare, but we are talking about the biggest sport on the planet. Sure 50+ people died at a sport stadium, but considering that millions went to stadiums world wide yesterday alone then frankly it is a one off. More people die going to and from the sports arena than are killed at sport arenas.
    Interesting how you know it'll be a 'one off'.

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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post

    They used to just call it the 'English disease' until most parts of the world, especially European fans, got a taste and started to enjoy violence as a pass time.



    Interesting how you know it'll be a 'one off'.

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    the hooligan movement in the 70;s and especially 80's was ver political as well, people frustrated with the economy, the police, thatcher and then would go out on the weekend and vent their anger!

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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Fair and balanced news report:


    This sport is crazy in some parts of the World.

    (could this get moved to the mainstream news also, sorry wrong section)
    WOW. All of this over freaking soccer?

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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

    At least half the dead were crushed in the stampede for the exits. That can happen in any crowd. There's a long history of rivalry and violence between this set of fans. The talk today seems to surround the home fans, who had strongly supported the revolution, claiming that remnants of the Mubarak regime had used the event to settle scores. Mubarak may be gone, but the Army who supported his reign is still in power, and they control the police who seemed half-hearted in their attempts to contain the riot.
    My impression of American sport is that it's a more sanitised experience overall, but by and large, due to the distances between franchises, you don't get large groups of opposing supporters following their team to away matches, so the opportunity for clashes is near non-existent.
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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Such a refined, civilized grade of people over there. Is there anything that doesn't get them juiced up to kill people?
    What an ignorant comment.

    This happens in South America, Africa and Europe as well. What happens after almost every championship here in the USA? Riots. Millions of dollars of damage. Injuries. Some deaths. Grab a clue.
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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    At least half the dead were crushed in the stampede for the exits. That can happen in any crowd. There's a long history of rivalry and violence between this set of fans. The talk today seems to surround the home fans, who had strongly supported the revolution, claiming that remnants of the Mubarak regime had used the event to settle scores. Mubarak may be gone, but the Army who supported his reign is still in power, and they control the police who seemed half-hearted in their attempts to contain the riot.
    My impression of American sport is that it's a more sanitised experience overall, but by and large, due to the distances between franchises, you don't get large groups of opposing supporters following their team to away matches, so the opportunity for clashes is near non-existent.
    ...and our police are out IN FORCE. Something you noted is not happening there. Hell, people get trampled to death in America at early morning sales for cabbage patch dolls for their kids for Christmas.
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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ...and our police are out IN FORCE. Something you noted is not happening there. Hell, people get trampled to death in America at early morning sales for cabbage patch dolls for their kids for Christmas.
    Police presence at American sporting events isnt that large, like Manc said not many away team fans travel to games in the US so you rarely see trouble.

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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Police presence at American sporting events isnt that large, like Manc said not many away team fans travel to games in the US so you rarely see trouble.
    Well there was this bit of trouble back in 1995. Attendees at a NY Giants game threw snowballs at the San Diego Chargers.






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    Re: 40 killed ... Egypt soccer match

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Police presence at American sporting events isnt that large, like Manc said not many away team fans travel to games in the US so you rarely see trouble.
    I am talking about at the Championship game after the game for the riots that occur after the game... it is about trouble makers at sports and not "when" they are making trouble. My counter point stands correct when kept in the context of the debate.

    ...and I was agreeing with Manc.
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