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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    She can't pass a law that says men must carry the baby to term. I'd explain to you why, but it gets in depth and it's really a discussion you should have with your family first...

    If you're against abortion, I understand that, but whining about how the woman, that actually has to carry to term and give birth, is the one that gets to make the decision is silly.
    I'm not. You miss the point entirely. Women have an "out" for an unwanted child. Men do not. This is inequality on a grand scale no?
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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm not. You miss the point entirely. Women have an "out" for an unwanted child. Men do not. This is inequality on a grand scale no?
    No. It is not a grand inequality. It is only a difference.

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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sorry Zyphlin, but if you want to make a bill to to force women to have an unnecessary medical procedure done just to be ****ing pricks, then there is exactly nothing wrong with attaching equally ****ing ridiculous amendments to it. Go ahead and vent to some one making a point about a group of ****ing people trying to make it harder for women to do something they have every legal right to do in this country just so they can feel ****ing good about themselves. You want to rant about something, rant about people who think bull**** like this bill is a good idea.
    Do you know why the ulstrasound is required?

    Have you bothered to read the reaction of women that have seen their own child, the life they have inside...

    You claim it's about choice, and being "forced" to do something horrible... Yes, seeing what you are about to kill is awful! Just so mean. Who gives a **** about the kid?

    Besides, despite your... complaints a Federal Court has ll ready ruled this type of law is quite legal:
    Court okays Texas requirement for ultrasound before abortions :: EWTN News
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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Gotcha, so her point was to actually cause voters that didn't know much about her to actively decide to vote against her in the following election and convince others to do the same.

    Well, amazing political strategy that. Happy to hear she's "actually achieved what she set out to do".
    I didn't realize that you had a constituency!

    I believe her purpose was to rally opponents of these ****tarded sorts of bills, and I'm guessing that she was quite successful in that regard. I suspect that she did not imagine that anti-abortion folks would change their minds. Patently unreasonable bills like the one in question are not susceptible to attack on reasonableness grounds. You just have to draw attention to haw ****ed up they are and hope that enough right-thinking folks will get involved.

    Do you really think you would have called your representative to object to the bill if she's just stood up and gave a little speech? If she had done that I doubt you would ever hear about it.

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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Do you know why the ulstrasound is required?

    Have you bothered to read the reaction of women that have seen their own child, the life they have inside...

    You claim it's about choice, and being "forced" to do something horrible... Yes, seeing what you are about to kill is awful! Just so mean. Who gives a **** about the kid?

    Besides, despite your... complaints a Federal Court has ll ready ruled this type of law is quite legal:
    Court okays Texas requirement for ultrasound before abortions :: EWTN News
    Ah, a Catholic news site? Well that's certainly objective.










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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No. It is not a grand inequality. It is only a difference.
    Man and woman meet, have consensual sex.

    Woman gets pregnant.

    Here are the possible results:
    They want the baby. Everyone wins.

    She wants, he doesn't. She wins, baby wins. He pays CS for 18+ years for a child he doesn't want.

    She doesn't want, He does. She wins.

    They or she decide for adoption. Baby wins.

    Do you see the issue here? I'm not out to force anyone to "carry to term", but I do think its BS men have no Post conception say in their futures.
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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Ah, a Catholic news site? Well that's certainly objective.
    Translation:
    I cannot argue the article, so I'll mock the source.

    Fine.

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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Gotcha, so her point was to actually cause voters that didn't know much about her to actively decide to vote against her in the following election and convince others to do the same.

    Well, amazing political strategy that. Happy to hear she's "actually achieved what she set out to do".
    No, her point is to draw attention to a very ****ty bill. Nice spin, but it ain't flying.
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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Do you know why the ulstrasound is required?

    Have you bothered to read the reaction of women that have seen their own child, the life they have inside...

    You claim it's about choice, and being "forced" to do something horrible... Yes, seeing what you are about to kill is awful! Just so mean. Who gives a **** about the kid?

    Besides, despite your... complaints a Federal Court has ll ready ruled this type of law is quite legal:
    Court okays Texas requirement for ultrasound before abortions :: EWTN News
    Yes, I do know why it is done, to harrass women who want to have an abortion. If you where required by law to go through an unneccessary medical procedure to do anything, you would be crying louder than any one around. But you are perfectly ok with this form of harrassment.
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    Re: Janet Howell, Virginia State Senator, Attaches Rectal Exam Amendment To Anti-Abor

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Strangely enough, I actually disagree with the law. While I'm not a fan of abortion and would prefer it banned in my state in most cases rather than allowed, forcing women to undergo an additional uncessary and costly test for emotional, not medical, reasons is ridiculous and is not the role of the state imho. However, rather than coming out and actually ridiculing the bill or raise attention to it in any kind of reasonable way she's instead decided to go the route of a publicity stunt. Congratulations to her, I'm sure it'll win her over all kinds of support by those who already support her. However if her intent was to actually convince those who are more moderate or undecided on the issue to actually make some noise and oppose the bill, well...with at least one person she failed miserably due to her idiocy.
    It does seem like this is becoming a pretty common grandstanding technique. I was reading another thread where a GOP bill in Indiana which would have required welfare recipients to submit to drug screens was killed after the democrats ammended it to require everyone who takes any public money to be drug screened (including elected legislators).

    It is just another ridiculous political tactic. The only issue with the ultrasound law was that the original law was just as ridiculous as the counter tactic.

    I'm glad that you agree.

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