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    Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited

    I am glad I do not live Hawaii.

    Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited | Privacy Inc. - CNET News
    Hawaii's legislature is weighing an unprecedented proposal to curb the privacy of Aloha State residents: requiring Internet providers to keep track of every Web site their customers visit.

    Its House of Representatives has scheduled a hearing this morning on a new bill (PDF) requiring the creation of virtual dossiers on state residents. The measure, H.B. 2288, says "Internet destination history information" and "subscriber's information" such as name and address must be saved for two years.

    H.B. 2288, which was introduced Friday, says the dossiers must include a list of Internet Protocol addresses and domain names visited. Democratic Rep. John Mizuno of Oahu is the lead sponsor; Mizuno also introduced H.B. 2287, a computer crime bill, at the same time last week.
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    Re: Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited

    I've known for a while that Hawaii was a lot more Socialist-Authoritarian/paternalistic than most of the USA, but I didn't know it was that bad.

    Oh well, scratch Hawaii off the vacation list..... oh waitaminute, I'd already done that because of their idiotic gun laws...

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    Re: Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I've known for a while that Hawaii was a lot more Socialist-Authoritarian/paternalistic than most of the USA, but I didn't know it was that bad.
    I bet the next state to propose such a bill will be Utah so the government will know which of their Mormons are looking at dirty pictures.

    But rather than do it as a government agency, they'll probably give out a government contract to pay for a private company to do this.

    Which means that private company can double down on profit by selling such information to advertising and marketing firms.

    So let's hear it for Capitalist-Authoritarianism over Socialist-Authoritarianism.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I bet the next state to propose such a bill will be Utah so the government will know which of their Mormons are looking at dirty pictures.

    But rather than do it as a government agency, they'll probably give out a government contract to pay for a private company to do this.

    Which means that private company can double down on profit by selling such information to advertising and marketing firms.

    So let's hear it for Capitalist-Authoritarianism over Socialist-Authoritarianism.

    Well, to be precise I'm none too fond of Authoritarianism, of any flavor....

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    Re: Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, to be precise I'm none too fond of Authoritarianism, of any flavor....
    Same here.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Same here.

    'S why I tend to lean libertarian-ish a lot of the time... if folks would just mind their own business and leave other folks alone...

    Well, of course it isn't quite that simple, but if that was our baseline and we only stuck our nose in when it was really necessary.... that would work for me.

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    Re: Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited

    I'm sure that politicians would be exempt from the proposed law, they wouldn't want all the porn sites visited surfacing around election time.

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    Re: Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited

    why don't they just ban the websites they don't want folks going to.

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    Re: Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    'S why I tend to lean libertarian-ish a lot of the time... if folks would just mind their own business and leave other folks alone...

    Well, of course it isn't quite that simple, but if that was our baseline and we only stuck our nose in when it was really necessary.... that would work for me.
    Well, before I get to your point, let me address mine.

    I just wanted to point out that just because someone holds socialist ideals doesn't mean that they endorse authoritarian policies. Those two things are mutually exclusive philosophies.

    As for your libertarianism, if you want to get technical about it, then according to that philosophy companies that are internet service providers should have no government interference in collecting that information and doing whatever they want with it, such as selling it to marketing and advertising firms in order to make more money. And, of course, if the customers don't like it they can just choose to become a customer of another ISP that doesn't do that policy or not use internet service at all.

    But those are besides the point, so I don't think you and I should belabor them in this thread.

    I do think one thing, though. I think that, centuries from now, the internet will have made everybody much more tolerant or turn everyone into a criminal of one kind or another.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why don't they just ban the websites they don't want folks going to.
    They need some way to find which websites they want banned.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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