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Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

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It looks like SOPA was a distraction.

» Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
Months before the debate about Internet censorship raged as SOPA and PIPA dominated the concerns of web users, President Obama signed an international treaty that would allow companies in China or any other country in the world to demand ISPs remove web content in the US with no legal oversight whatsoever.

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The groups pushing the treaty also want to empower copyright holders with the ability to demand that users who violate intellectual property rights (with no legal process) have their Internet connections terminated, a punishment that could only ever be properly enforced by the creation of an individual Internet ID card for every web user, a system that is already in the works.​
“The same industry rightsholder groups that support the creation of ACTA have also called for mandatory network-level filtering by Internet Service Providers and for Internet Service Providers to terminate citizens’ Internet connection on repeat allegation of copyright infringement (the “Three Strikes” /Graduated Response) so there is reason to believe that ACTA will seek to increase intermediary liability and require these things of Internet Service Providers,” reports the Electronic Frontier Foundation.​
The treaty will also mandate that ISPs disclose personal user information to the copyright holder, while providing authorities across the globe with broader powers to search laptops and Internet-capable devices at border checkpoints.​
In presenting ACTA as an “international agreement” rather than a treaty, the Obama administration managed to circumvent the legislative process and avoid having to get Senate approval, a method questioned by Senator Wyden.​
“That said, even if Obama has declared ACTA an executive agreement (while those in Europe insist that it’s a binding treaty), there is a very real Constitutional question here: can it actually be an executive agreement?” asks TechDirt. “The law is clear that the only things that can be covered by executive agreements are things that involve items that are solely under the President’s mandate. That is, you can’t sign an executive agreement that impacts the things Congress has control over. But here’s the thing: intellectual property, in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, is an issue given to Congress, not the President. Thus, there’s a pretty strong argument that the president legally cannot sign any intellectual property agreements as an executive agreement and, instead, must submit them to the Senate.”.​
 
I think ya'll are just going to have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that copyrighted material put on the web for the purposes of cheating companies out of making money is going to get tougher and tougher to do.
 
I think ya'll are just going to have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that copyrighted material put on the web for the purposes of cheating companies out of making money is going to get tougher and tougher to do.

Look fair enough on that.

But the penalties for doing so are extremely harsh considering it's a victimless crime.
 
Doesn't congress have to approve treaties? If Obama is against SOPA and PIPA it makes him a hypocrite to sign this and give foreign nations the right to regulate US based websites and users. I also agree that the penalties are crazy.

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Doesn't congress have to approve treaties? If Obama is against SOPA and PIPA it makes him a hypocrite to sign this and give foreign nations the right to regulate US based websites and users. I also agree that the penalties are crazy.

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According the supreme court involving that illegal that was executed congress has to enact legislation enacting it.
 
I oppose the ACTA as well, but it isn't worse than SOPA. SOPA is worse. ACTA primarily is about blocking individual users' IP addresses. SOPA is about knocking down entire domains. The free speech implications for SOPA are much more dangerous. SOPA targets the speaker rather than the listener and there are way fewer speakers than listeners.

And, an individual user who is downloading copyrighted content should spend 5 minutes figuring out how to IP filter out the companies that try to catch them anyways and then the problem is solved. For example, if you use Vuze, go to tools, options, IP filters. Enter this URL in the box: http://www.bluetack.co.uk/config/level1.gz and you're done. Neither the RIAA, the MPAA or anybody else is likely to catch you once you do that. SOPA is not nearly so easily defeated.

Also, targeting downloaders is basically a pipedream even without the technical evasions. There are supposedly over one hundred million bittorrent users now. It's too late to put that genie back in the bottle. But there are only maybe 10 well known search engines for torrent files. Take those out, and that would have a serious impact.
 
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If this "treaty" doesn't impose new law but only provides for a different form of enforcement, then it seems to me it would fall under the purview of the executive branch.
(Still reviewing, there's a lot to read there.)

The ACTA is a real and present danger to internet freedom (ACTA Moves Forward In Europe Despite Protests - What It Means For Our Freedom Online - Forbes), but I must take up issue with the source as Infowars is ran by conspiracy nut job Alex Jones and thus is not to be trusted.
Yeah, it's kinda' hard to believe anything on a site when the opening lines mention China and China isn't a signatory.

Thanks for the Forbes link - it's better than the first few I found.
 
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It will not be ratified. Empty pandering to the Euros.
 
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Please old greedy people, don't **** up the internet!
 
Please old greedy people, don't **** up the internet!
Hey! I'm old and greedy but I know better.

It's the tech stupid (and arrogant or they'd ask someone that knows) of any age or class that worry me.
 
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I think ya'll are just going to have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that copyrighted material put on the web for the purposes of cheating companies out of making money is going to get tougher and tougher to do.

Hmm, perhaps you should read the arguments and concerns over these bills closer before coming up with such ignorant characterizations. :doh
 
Look fair enough on that.

But the penalties for doing so are extremely harsh considering it's a victimless crime.

It's not.

One person may not be able to do much damage. Millions do.
 
It's not.

One person may not be able to do much damage. Millions do.

The problem is, how do you substantiate ACTUAL harm versus perception?
 
The problem is, how do you substantiate ACTUAL harm versus perception?

That's not really a problem; all you have to do is look at what every stolen piece should have cost. And look at the year-to-year lost revenues of the publishers.

Look, it's harmful. I know you don't want to think it is, but it is. People lose jobs. Companies close their doors. Real people are hurt. Starting with the smallest and most vulnerable.

Many who otherwise could have had careers won't.

Plus, everyone's ultimately a victim, because the viable selection of "culture" diminishes, as does the quality of what's available.
 
That's not really a problem; all you have to do is look at what every stolen piece should have cost. And look at the year-to-year lost revenues of the publishers.

Look, it's harmful. I know you don't want to think it is, but it is. People lose jobs. Companies close their doors. Real people are hurt. Starting with the smallest and most vulnerable.

Many who otherwise could have had careers won't.

Plus, everyone's ultimately a victim, because the viable selection of "culture" diminishes, as does the quality of what's available.

But the real question is, are these laws that are being proposed causing more problems then the problem they are supposedly fixing? And I think the obvious answer is a resounding yes.
 
But the real question is, are these laws that are being proposed causing more problems then the problem they are supposedly fixing? And I think the obvious answer is a resounding yes.

Not a point I was speaking to. I was responding to the notion that it's a "victimless crime."
 
Infowars.com, is a paranoid & bigoted conspiracy theory website.

I take nothing they say seriously.
 
I think ya'll are just going to have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that copyrighted material put on the web for the purposes of cheating companies out of making money is going to get tougher and tougher to do.

With all due respect, Maggie...

I think very few people have a problem with that. The only problem is that these kinds of laws go a lot further than that.

I was watching "Up with Chris Hayes" one weekend morning and he was talking about this. He showed a clip from a homemade video of a birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese. Everybody was singing "Happy Birthday" and the mascot was there miming along.

Now, the family could put this video up on YouTube to let their family watch and see what the birthday party was like. But if they did, they would be in violation of copyright. After all, the song "Happy Birthday" is still copyrighted and the estate of the copyright holders guard it fiercely. Also, the image of the mascot of Chuck E. Cheese is intellectual property of the corporation who owns that franchise.

So, because of a home video of people singing "Happy Birthday" at Chuck E. Cheese's, the holders of those copyrights could ask the federal government to shut down YouTube.

Also, because someone could search for that video on Google, the federal government would be empowered to shut down that website because it facilitated in infringement of copyright by allowing it to be searchable.

And if someone posted a link to that homemade video here on the Debate Politics forum the federal government could shut this forum down for disseminating copyrighted material.

This is the problem opponents have with SOPA, PIPA, and similar laws. It is so heavy handed and it could lead to the shutdown of the internet.

Also, it won't deal with the issues of these corporations - which is to make a profit off of their intellectual properties.

This is why opponents are so much against these laws - they are far too draconian against rather innocent people and it doesn't do what proponents want the laws to do.

And that's not even getting into the bribery and corruption that these big media companies are paying our Congressmen and Senators off to get these laws passed.
 
But the real question is, are these laws that are being proposed causing more problems then the problem they are supposedly fixing? And I think the obvious answer is a resounding yes.

THe obvious answer is to quit stealing things and you wont get laws like this.
 
With all due respect, Maggie...

I think very few people have a problem with that. The only problem is that these kinds of laws go a lot further than that.

I was watching "Up with Chris Hayes" one weekend morning and he was talking about this. He showed a clip from a homemade video of a birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese. Everybody was singing "Happy Birthday" and the mascot was there miming along.

Now, the family could put this video up on YouTube to let their family watch and see what the birthday party was like. But if they did, they would be in violation of copyright. After all, the song "Happy Birthday" is still copyrighted and the estate of the copyright holders guard it fiercely. Also, the image of the mascot of Chuck E. Cheese is intellectual property of the corporation who owns that franchise.

So, because of a home video of people singing "Happy Birthday" at Chuck E. Cheese's, the holders of those copyrights could ask the federal government to shut down YouTube.

Also, because someone could search for that video on Google, the federal government would be empowered to shut down that website because it facilitated in infringement of copyright by allowing it to be searchable.

And if someone posted a link to that homemade video here on the Debate Politics forum the federal government could shut this forum down for disseminating copyrighted material.

This is the problem opponents have with SOPA, PIPA, and similar laws. It is so heavy handed and it could lead to the shutdown of the internet.

Also, it won't deal with the issues of these corporations - which is to make a profit off of their intellectual properties.

This is why opponents are so much against these laws - they are far too draconian against rather innocent people and it doesn't do what proponents want the laws to do.

And that's not even getting into the bribery and corruption that these big media companies are paying our Congressmen and Senators off to get these laws passed.

I guess I'm going to have to do the research and post it (it will be awhile as I'm on a work shift, 12 hour midnights) but the courts have already ruled many times about stuff like this.

The idea that the government is going to start shutting down sites because people post their 6 year olds birthday party is nothing more than hyperbolic scare tactics.
 
I guess I'm going to have to do the research and post it (it will be awhile as I'm on a work shift, 12 hour midnights) but the courts have already ruled many times about stuff like this.

The idea that the government is going to start shutting down sites because people post their 6 year olds birthday party is nothing more than hyperbolic scare tactics.

Not really.

 
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