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    Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    It looks like SOPA was a distraction.

    » Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
    Months before the debate about Internet censorship raged as SOPA and PIPA dominated the concerns of web users, President Obama signed an international treaty that would allow companies in China or any other country in the world to demand ISPs remove web content in the US with no legal oversight whatsoever.

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    The groups pushing the treaty also want to empower copyright holders with the ability to demand that users who violate intellectual property rights (with no legal process) have their Internet connections terminated, a punishment that could only ever be properly enforced by the creation of an individual Internet ID card for every web user, a system that is already in the works.
    “The same industry rightsholder groups that support the creation of ACTA have also called for mandatory network-level filtering by Internet Service Providers and for Internet Service Providers to terminate citizens’ Internet connection on repeat allegation of copyright infringement (the “Three Strikes” /Graduated Response) so there is reason to believe that ACTA will seek to increase intermediary liability and require these things of Internet Service Providers,” reports the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
    The treaty will also mandate that ISPs disclose personal user information to the copyright holder, while providing authorities across the globe with broader powers to search laptops and Internet-capable devices at border checkpoints.
    In presenting ACTA as an “international agreement” rather than a treaty, the Obama administration managed to circumvent the legislative process and avoid having to get Senate approval, a method questioned by Senator Wyden.
    “That said, even if Obama has declared ACTA an executive agreement (while those in Europe insist that it’s a binding treaty), there is a very real Constitutional question here: can it actually be an executive agreement?” asks TechDirt. “The law is clear that the only things that can be covered by executive agreements are things that involve items that are solely under the President’s mandate. That is, you can’t sign an executive agreement that impacts the things Congress has control over. But here’s the thing: intellectual property, in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, is an issue given to Congress, not the President. Thus, there’s a pretty strong argument that the president legally cannot sign any intellectual property agreements as an executive agreement and, instead, must submit them to the Senate.”.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    I think ya'll are just going to have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that copyrighted material put on the web for the purposes of cheating companies out of making money is going to get tougher and tougher to do.
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    The ACTA is a real and present danger to internet freedom (ACTA Moves Forward In Europe Despite Protests - What It Means For Our Freedom Online - Forbes), but I must take up issue with the source as Infowars is ran by conspiracy nut job Alex Jones and thus is not to be trusted.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    I just remembered something from several months ago.
    Texas executes Mexican citizen despite pleas from Obama, UN - CSMonitor.com
    The US is a signatory to the treaty, but the US Supreme Court found in 2008 that only Congress could mandate that states are bound to the treaty.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think ya'll are just going to have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that copyrighted material put on the web for the purposes of cheating companies out of making money is going to get tougher and tougher to do.
    Look fair enough on that.

    But the penalties for doing so are extremely harsh considering it's a victimless crime.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Doesn't congress have to approve treaties? If Obama is against SOPA and PIPA it makes him a hypocrite to sign this and give foreign nations the right to regulate US based websites and users. I also agree that the penalties are crazy.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Doesn't congress have to approve treaties? If Obama is against SOPA and PIPA it makes him a hypocrite to sign this and give foreign nations the right to regulate US based websites and users. I also agree that the penalties are crazy.

    According the supreme court involving that illegal that was executed congress has to enact legislation enacting it.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    I oppose the ACTA as well, but it isn't worse than SOPA. SOPA is worse. ACTA primarily is about blocking individual users' IP addresses. SOPA is about knocking down entire domains. The free speech implications for SOPA are much more dangerous. SOPA targets the speaker rather than the listener and there are way fewer speakers than listeners.

    And, an individual user who is downloading copyrighted content should spend 5 minutes figuring out how to IP filter out the companies that try to catch them anyways and then the problem is solved. For example, if you use Vuze, go to tools, options, IP filters. Enter this URL in the box: http://www.bluetack.co.uk/config/level1.gz and you're done. Neither the RIAA, the MPAA or anybody else is likely to catch you once you do that. SOPA is not nearly so easily defeated.

    Also, targeting downloaders is basically a pipedream even without the technical evasions. There are supposedly over one hundred million bittorrent users now. It's too late to put that genie back in the bottle. But there are only maybe 10 well known search engines for torrent files. Take those out, and that would have a serious impact.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    If this "treaty" doesn't impose new law but only provides for a different form of enforcement, then it seems to me it would fall under the purview of the executive branch.
    (Still reviewing, there's a lot to read there.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The ACTA is a real and present danger to internet freedom (ACTA Moves Forward In Europe Despite Protests - What It Means For Our Freedom Online - Forbes), but I must take up issue with the source as Infowars is ran by conspiracy nut job Alex Jones and thus is not to be trusted.
    Yeah, it's kinda' hard to believe anything on a site when the opening lines mention China and China isn't a signatory.

    Thanks for the Forbes link - it's better than the first few I found.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    It will not be ratified. Empty pandering to the Euros.
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