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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It most certainly does.
    How does it hurt the company?

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Exactly, the assumption that illegal downloading causes people to lose money is based on the premise that those who downloaded illegally would have bought the music/movies/etc. had they not been available for free. That's a difficult premise to prove and unlikely.
    The real matter is though that the world has changed, you will never get rid of pirating, so the companies need to learn to live with it, and make money in this new market. There are ways, and the companies that adapt will survive, and the others wont. It's that simple.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I would never buy a real Rolex. My buying a fake does not then harm them in any way. Right?
    No, it doesn't. Why would it? They aren't losing a dime.

    There is no proof that the shoplifter would have bought the $200 hand bag either.
    Shoplifting and downloading copies of music are two completely different beasts. A proper comparison would be if someone could copy a handbag in a store infinitely and then share those copies for free. It seems like you don't really understand what illegal downloading is if you think it's comparable to shoplifting.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The real matter is though that the world has changed, you will never get rid of pirating, so the companies need to learn to live with it, and make money in this new market. There are ways, and the companies that adapt will survive, and the others wont. It's that simple.
    Yeah, I agree. Moreover, what these latest treaties and bills are doing is harming other relatively innocent aspects of the internet (like Wikipedia and YouTube) in order to stop a problem that is not going to be stopped.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yeah, I agree. Moreover, what these latest treaties and bills are doing is harming other relatively innocent aspects of the internet (like Wikipedia and YouTube) in order to stop a problem that is not going to be stopped.
    Yep, these bills harm innocent people, and the integrity of the internet, humanities biggest accomplishment. Nothing like this should ever be passed, and if it ever does, there needs to be big response, to take the internet back.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Nobody has shown where it will worsen the problem.
    I don't care enough to show it, but the fact that you think making illegal downloaders mad is a good thing is beyond ridiculous. I belong to the generation who does this stuff and pissing people off just makes them beat the system even more out of spite.

    Of course, who wants to admit they are stealing?
    LOL, most people who illegally download music, movies, etc. openly admit it. In any case, if you aren't even willing to acknowledge that the main arguments against SOPA, et al. weren't about illegal downloading, then I think it's clear that you probably aren't well read on this subject and don't fully grasp the implications of treaties and bills like this.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

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    I think people don't take into account the people who download the music, and then actually buy the album later. I have done this a lot, especially if I don't have the money at the moment, I'll download an album, and if I really like it I will buy it in order to support the band/artist. It's great advertisement really. I do believe that most people do want to buy their stuff the legit way, they just have to make it easy, and available. That's why itunes is so successful, because it is easy to buy your music, 1 click, and you have it. And with some things it is just easier to get it illegally, and that is the fault of the people providing the content.
    This is true too. Oftentimes, not spending money is a matter of not having money so nobody's losing anything anyway. However, when people do get the money, they'll often buy whatever they 'stole' and again, nobody lost anything. Consequently, all of these arguments about how much money companies are losing are pretty unfounded.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This is true too. Oftentimes, not spending money is a matter of not having money so nobody's losing anything anyway. However, when people do get the money, they'll often buy whatever they 'stole' and again, nobody lost anything. Consequently, all of these arguments about how much money companies are losing are pretty unfounded.
    Just look at Valve, and steam, they are making record profits off of Steam, because of the good will the company has, and the ease of the service. People would rather get their games legally from Steam, because it's easier than getting them illegally.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    What this law does is give government the power to shut the web down. The net has become an extremely powerful form of communication and organization as was proven in the Egypt uprising. Theoretically in a worse case scenario obama or some future gov could black out the internet while in the midst of some kind of power grab operation.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    People are constantly reminded of the Black Hats and their illegal activities but seldom consider the White Hats who are just as smart. Cory Doctorow and David Gewirtz (both of whom make a large part of their living off digital IP) have covered Internet IP laws in various videos, speeches, & blogs and always conclude it's virtually impossible to slow down pirating for more than a few days because it's too easy to circumvent new obstacles. But after those few days the new and useless obstacles still remain in place slowing down or infringing on other activity on the Net. If Internet IP protection had a good solution don't you think all the Internet geeks out there that make money off digital IP would have already figured a way to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Really? Do you have some kind of report to back this up? And also, do you have proof that people who 'steal' music, etc. would have bought the products if they weren't available to 'steal'?
    No, and you don't have any proof they wouldn't have. In fact, in the case of the people who paid Megaupload for an increase in download speed, they did pay for the files. This is not a victim-less crime.

    However, I completely agree with the rest of your opinion. People who have no knowledge of the Internet and/or are too narrow-minded about their own agenda to the determent of others have no business writing bills/treaties/agreements like these.

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