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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think ya'll are just going to have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that copyrighted material put on the web for the purposes of cheating companies out of making money is going to get tougher and tougher to do.
    With all due respect, Maggie...

    I think very few people have a problem with that. The only problem is that these kinds of laws go a lot further than that.

    I was watching "Up with Chris Hayes" one weekend morning and he was talking about this. He showed a clip from a homemade video of a birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese. Everybody was singing "Happy Birthday" and the mascot was there miming along.

    Now, the family could put this video up on YouTube to let their family watch and see what the birthday party was like. But if they did, they would be in violation of copyright. After all, the song "Happy Birthday" is still copyrighted and the estate of the copyright holders guard it fiercely. Also, the image of the mascot of Chuck E. Cheese is intellectual property of the corporation who owns that franchise.

    So, because of a home video of people singing "Happy Birthday" at Chuck E. Cheese's, the holders of those copyrights could ask the federal government to shut down YouTube.

    Also, because someone could search for that video on Google, the federal government would be empowered to shut down that website because it facilitated in infringement of copyright by allowing it to be searchable.

    And if someone posted a link to that homemade video here on the Debate Politics forum the federal government could shut this forum down for disseminating copyrighted material.

    This is the problem opponents have with SOPA, PIPA, and similar laws. It is so heavy handed and it could lead to the shutdown of the internet.

    Also, it won't deal with the issues of these corporations - which is to make a profit off of their intellectual properties.

    This is why opponents are so much against these laws - they are far too draconian against rather innocent people and it doesn't do what proponents want the laws to do.

    And that's not even getting into the bribery and corruption that these big media companies are paying our Congressmen and Senators off to get these laws passed.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But the real question is, are these laws that are being proposed causing more problems then the problem they are supposedly fixing? And I think the obvious answer is a resounding yes.
    THe obvious answer is to quit stealing things and you wont get laws like this.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    With all due respect, Maggie...

    I think very few people have a problem with that. The only problem is that these kinds of laws go a lot further than that.

    I was watching "Up with Chris Hayes" one weekend morning and he was talking about this. He showed a clip from a homemade video of a birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese. Everybody was singing "Happy Birthday" and the mascot was there miming along.

    Now, the family could put this video up on YouTube to let their family watch and see what the birthday party was like. But if they did, they would be in violation of copyright. After all, the song "Happy Birthday" is still copyrighted and the estate of the copyright holders guard it fiercely. Also, the image of the mascot of Chuck E. Cheese is intellectual property of the corporation who owns that franchise.

    So, because of a home video of people singing "Happy Birthday" at Chuck E. Cheese's, the holders of those copyrights could ask the federal government to shut down YouTube.

    Also, because someone could search for that video on Google, the federal government would be empowered to shut down that website because it facilitated in infringement of copyright by allowing it to be searchable.

    And if someone posted a link to that homemade video here on the Debate Politics forum the federal government could shut this forum down for disseminating copyrighted material.

    This is the problem opponents have with SOPA, PIPA, and similar laws. It is so heavy handed and it could lead to the shutdown of the internet.

    Also, it won't deal with the issues of these corporations - which is to make a profit off of their intellectual properties.

    This is why opponents are so much against these laws - they are far too draconian against rather innocent people and it doesn't do what proponents want the laws to do.

    And that's not even getting into the bribery and corruption that these big media companies are paying our Congressmen and Senators off to get these laws passed.
    I guess I'm going to have to do the research and post it (it will be awhile as I'm on a work shift, 12 hour midnights) but the courts have already ruled many times about stuff like this.

    The idea that the government is going to start shutting down sites because people post their 6 year olds birthday party is nothing more than hyperbolic scare tactics.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I think very few people have a problem with that.
    More than you think.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I guess I'm going to have to do the research and post it (it will be awhile as I'm on a work shift, 12 hour midnights) but the courts have already ruled many times about stuff like this.

    The idea that the government is going to start shutting down sites because people post their 6 year olds birthday party is nothing more than hyperbolic scare tactics.
    Not really.

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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    THe obvious answer is to quit stealing things and you wont get laws like this.
    Laws like this won't stop people from stealing things.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Laws like this won't stop people from stealing things.
    No laws stop people from stealing things.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    THe obvious answer is to quit stealing things and you wont get laws like this.
    No.

    The obvious answer is for these big media companies to change their business model.

    I was listening to Planet Money on NPR. They were talking about the music industry, which has been struggling for the past decade since the internet became proliferate.

    They were talking about Katy Perry and how she was the most successful music artist in 2011. They talked to a music exec and the reporters found out that the music company spent about $44 million on producing and promoting her albums.

    The profit they got from all her albums, however, was only $8 million.

    You see, in the past, music companies focused their business model on selling CDs. And they would spend a lot of money developing the celebrity of an artist to get them popular enough so that people would buy those albums. And so the music artist would make more of their money off of licensing deals and from live shows - things that the recording industry ignored.

    But now, with filesharing, the recording industry is getting less and less from selling music despite spending just as much money on developing an album and developing a music artist.

    So, very soon, the music industry will change its business model. It will give out recordings for free in order to promote the live shows and licensing that music artists do, of which the music companies will get a cut, and they will get that in return for developing a music artist's celebrity.

    So very soon all this copyright protection will be moot anyways since the big media companies will change their business model to adapt to it.

    As soon as these laws get passed the free market will make them obsolete.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    THe obvious answer is to quit stealing things and you wont get laws like this.
    Bull****.

    Your answer dodges the issue at hand.

    The laws we have now - with some tweaking - are more effective and logical than ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, etc. This is demonstrated with the Megaupload thing going on.
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    Re: Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think ya'll are just going to have to take a deep breath and accept the fact that copyrighted material put on the web for the purposes of cheating companies out of making money is going to get tougher and tougher to do.
    I think you are just going to have to learn that these types of 'treaties' have far greater implications for internet freedom than 'putting copyrighted material on the web for the purposes of cheating companies out of making money'. If you're simplifying the objections to treaties and bills like this one to that point, then you haven't been paying attention.

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