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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    That you think King was only concerned with racism in that quote is why I can't take your posts seriously. That you tie something everyone does to 'liberals' and then make comments about 'you people' is why I'm laughing at your post.

    What's irrational about thinking that states might continue to arbitrarily take away collective bargaining rights? It seems to me that you just can't respect people who disagree with you.
    arbitrarily?

    no.

    public unions workers will always belong to a union. They can always go directly to the voters, which is the union they belong to, and ask for better treatment.

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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

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    arbitrarily?

    no.
    Yes. When unions agree to the budget cuts that you ask for, then there is no longer a justifiable reason to cut their bargaining rights. It's arbitrary. Sorry.

    public unions workers will always belong to a union. They can always go directly to the voters, which is the union they belong to, and ask for better treatment.
    Cool. They should also have collective bargaining rights.

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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Cool. They should also have collective bargaining rights.
    they do. they can collectively pool their money and try to impact the elections to get better conditions or wages.

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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    they do. they can collectively pool their money and try to impact the elections to get better conditions or wages.
    They already did that in an efficient way - with unions.

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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    They already did that in an efficient way - with unions.
    efficient for whom? The democratic party?

    It wasn't efficient for citizens. They found the previous process lopsided.

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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    efficient for whom? The democratic party?

    It wasn't efficient for citizens. They found the previous process lopsided.
    Efficient for the citizens who formed unions. It's a lot more efficient to form an organization that will advocate your interests then to do it individually.

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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    efficient for whom? The democratic party?

    It wasn't efficient for citizens. They found the previous process lopsided.
    Yeah, if by efficiency you mean a cost/benefit ratio, then it would be efficient for the Democratic party and the unions, but terribly inefficient for the state and the taxpayers.

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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Efficient for the citizens who formed unions. It's a lot more efficient to form an organization that will advocate your interests then to do it individually.
    inefficient for the workers who don't want to belong to the union; inefficient for the citizens that were unable to get sensible reductions enacted.

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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - King

    When people see workers' rights being threatened, it's not irrational to think that they will be threatened elsewhere. It's better to nip the problem in the bud and send a message. It's the same with every other political concern as well including gun rights, gay marriage and other conservative political topics. That you would pretend that being 'liberal' has anything to with such concern and actions is nonsensical and frankly reveals some irrational biases.
    This is about taxpayers' rights, not workers' rights. Hopefully WI will stomp the life out of the Muncipal Unions that have only extorted the people of WI.

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    Re: Poll: Wis. gov. has slight edge in approval rating

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yes. When unions agree to the budget cuts that you ask for, then there is no longer a justifiable reason to cut their bargaining rights. It's arbitrary. Sorry.
    Of course there is. You are certainly allowed to have your opinion on the subject, but don't try to pretend your opinion is a fact.

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