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Their is 'unfortunately' no such candidate for the Presidency who can be classified as being 'squeaky clean'.

Actually ALL of the candidates have absolutely no intention of carrying out their promises were they to be the selected candidate and subsequent winner of the general Election.

We have seen from the present supposedly squeaky clean person who won the right to be in the W.H. that he is neither squeaky clean nor even able to carry out his basic promises to change the way government does business.
 
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Pointy said:
Their is 'unfortunately' no such candidate for the Presidency who can be classified as being 'squeaky clean'.

Actually ALL of the candidates have absolutely no intention of carrying out their promises were they to be the selected candidate and subsequent winner of the general Election.

We have seen from the present supposedly squeaky clean person who won the right to be in the W.H. that he is neither squeaky clean nor even able to carry out his basic promises to change the way government does business.
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All this is true. Nobody is squeaky clean. But that doesn't mean some aren't too dirty, or that we can't judge them to be.
 
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VanceMack said:
And liberals...they dont LIKE their politicians to be cheaters...right? I mean...this IS a big hairy deal...right?
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Liberals aren't the ones that are voting for Newt so it doesn't matter what liberals say about him. However, social conservatives have a BIG problem with cheating, so why don't you ask them since THEY are the ones that DO have the capability for voting for or against him.
 
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misterman said:
It was the conservatives on this thread who brought up the comparison!

I agree, there is no point in talking about Clinton. He's not running for President. To compare him is to play moral relativity games. Gingrich's actions should be judged on their own.
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True, but there is a certain hypocrisy for those who want to hang Gingrich, but stood by and defended Clinton, who's indiscretions were far worse in my humble opinion. First off, Clinton's affair was revealed as it was happening. It represented a current moral shortcoming. It reflects on the sort of man Clinton was at that time. Newt's affairs are more than a decade behind him. You certainly have to concede it is at least possible that Newt has changed for the better. His affairs don't represent the person he is today. Second, Clinton was a sitting President who committed perjury. The man with the highest office in the land who is charged with enforcing the laws of the land committed a felony. That's kind of a big deal. Now the one thing going against Newt that doesn't apply to Clinton is Newt's own hypocrisy in trying to tar and feather Clinton over family values while he was carrying on his own affair.

Now as far as this whole ex wife interview, I think you have to take anything someone's ex says with a big grain of salt. I also think anything she says won't change my opinion of Newt today. We all know he had some serious moral shortcomings back then. The question is he the same person he was back then? And is that relevant to how he can perform the duties of the office he's running for?
 
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Psychoclown said:
True, but there is a certain hypocrisy for those who want to hang Gingrich, but stood by and defended Clinton,
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Has anyone on this thread said they stood by and defended Clinton? Is this thread about Clinton? Is Clinton running for office? Is Clinton the way conservatives measure the appropriate behavior of their candidates for the GOP nomination?

It's just as hypocritical for Gingrich apologists to point to Clinton and say it's okay for Gingrich to be a philandering cheater because Clinton was.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Well put, and only further advancing the absurd hypocrisy of the liberals.
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Hilarious. He campaigns on family values and then cheats on his wives and his mistresses and the liberals are the hypocrites?

Keep em comin Shecky.
 
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misterman said:
It was the conservatives on this thread who brought up the comparison!

I agree, there is no point in talking about Clinton. He's not running for President. To compare him is to play moral relativity games. Gingrich's actions should be judged on their own.
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Im curious to see what it is that we dont know about him already. Frankly...if he was a better candidate...if it wasnt illegal I wouldnt care.
 
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Top Cat said:
Hilarious. He campaigns on family values and then cheats on his wives and his mistresses and the liberals are the hypocrites?

Keep em comin Shecky.
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And he's campaigning for the Republican nomination - against other Republicans. Yet it's all the liberals' fault, as usual.

Whenever you criticize them using their own values, they spit on their own values rather than admit fault. It's really quite pathetic.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Yes, which still places him well above such as Clinton, still a darling of the Democrats, as Clinton has never been forthcoming in the face of overwhelming evidence.

And Clinton lied under oath on top of it all.

Or are you gona tell us Clinton was somehow mischaracterized ;0
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You cons just don't get it. We libs could care less who you're banging. But the minute you pretend you are above the fray and play the family values card, you get what you get when you don't live up to your self professed superiority. I am fine with exposing libs who play that card as well. Most are smart enough not to however.
 
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VanceMack said:
Im curious to see what it is that we dont know about him already. Frankly...if he was a better candidate...if it wasnt illegal I wouldnt care.
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So a candidate who twice cheated on and left his wife and children doesn't concern you, as long as its legal?
 
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misterman said:
Has anyone on this thread said they stood by and defended Clinton? Is this thread about Clinton? Is Clinton running for office? Is Clinton the way conservatives measure the appropriate behavior of their candidates for the GOP nomination?

It's just as hypocritical for Gingrich apologists to point to Clinton and say it's okay for Gingrich to be a philandering cheater because Clinton was.
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I don't know about in this thread, but there are plenty of left wing hacks who though Clinton had done no wrong but now gleefully revel in revelations about Newt's affairs. I wouldn't be surprised if there are folks in this thread who qualify, but I'm not interested enough to go digging through people's post history to confirm that. Let's just say such people exist and they're not hard to find.

As far Newt's supporters being hypocritical, yeah that certainly applies as well. If you tried to crucify Clinton over Gennifer Flowers back in 92, then the same standard should apply to Newt today.
 
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misterman said:
Yes. I asked you if lying is wrong, and if adultery is wrong. You already saw my post. A simple yes or no to both would be appreciated. Not difficult questions.
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I suggest you ask your parents, or your minister, or someone whom you look to for ethical guidance. "Not difficult questions", as you say. But what is troubling is that you feel a need to ask them, and I believe any of those recommendations may help you better with that.

Best of luck. ;)
 
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Psychoclown said:
I don't know about in this thread, but there are plenty of left wing hacks who though Clinton had done no wrong but now gleefully revel in revelations about Newt's affairs. I wouldn't be surprised if there are folks in this thread who qualify, but I'm not interested enough to go digging through people's post history to confirm that. Let's just say such people exist and they're not hard to find.

As far Newt's supporters being hypocritical, yeah that certainly applies as well. If you tried to crucify Clinton over Gennifer Flowers back in 92, then the same standard should apply to Newt today.
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I explain why talking about Clinton or his supporters is completely pointless, and you respond by doing it some more.
 
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Top Cat said:
Hilarious. He campaigns on family values and then cheats on his wives and his mistresses and the liberals are the hypocrites?

Keep em comin Shecky.
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Which family values is he campaigning on? I have seen several quotes and articles (I can go to HuPo and other liberal sites too) and see all the comments about 'family values' but Im not seeing the facts regarding Gingrich running on 'family values'. Can you expound? I mean...I know thats your schtick...you paint all republicans as running on family values when it is some and certainly not all. And of course...you and I have had the discussion about the difference between republicans that make family values a front page issue and judgmental little pricks that make the same assumptions about ALL republicans...so...Im curious. What are the 'family values' that Gingrich is running on?
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
I suggest you ask your parents, or your minister, or someone whom you look to for ethical guidance.
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I'm not asking for guidance, I want to know what YOU think.

And the fact that you continue to dodge the question - the absolute central question to this thread - says an awful lot.

"Not difficult questions", as you say.
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Yes, and you continue to dodge them. I wonder why.
 
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VanceMack said:
Which family values is he campaigning on? I have seen several quotes and articles (I can go to HuPo and other liberal sites too) and see all the comments about 'family values' but Im not seeing the facts regarding Gingrich running on 'family values'. Can you expound? I mean...I know thats your schtick...you paint all republicans as running on family values when it is some and certainly not all. And of course...you and I have had the discussion about the difference between republicans that make family values a front page issue and judgmental little pricks that make the same assumptions about ALL republicans...so...Im curious. What are the 'family values' that Gingrich is running on?
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Gingrich made a speech bashing liberals about "family values" the day after he told Marriane he was dumping her. She mentions the incident in her interview.

Marianne Gingrich, Newt’s ex-wife, says he wanted ‘open marriage’ - The Washington Post
 
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misterman said:
So a candidate who twice cheated on and left his wife and children doesn't concern you, as long as its legal?
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Not in the least. Bring Clinton back tomorrow...I'll sign the petition. I dont really care about the affairs of a person, I care about their ability to lead. Clinton was a scumbag...had the morals of a...well...a politician. But he was a good president. I highly doubt Romney has had an affair...but I wouldnt vote for him on a bet.

In politics Im not looking for a saint or a confessor. Im looking for a leader.

And Im really curious about how well some of the folks here would stand up to a purity test.
 
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Top Cat said:
You cons just don't get it. We libs could care less who you're banging. But the minute you pretend you are above the fray and play the family values card, you get what you get when you don't live up to your self professed superiority. I am fine with exposing libs who play that card as well. Most are smart enough not to however.
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As Cons are fine playing the hypocrisy card on liberals. Its an easy play.

It is not the Cons here telling the liberals what they should think. Quite the opposite. It is the liberals trying to convince the Cons as to what they can think.

The position within Republicans is that we are quite capable of making the rational choice. Current, and or past, indiscretions by a candidate are likely weighed differently by every single voter. If you want to disagree with our choice, such is fine. But to then take the role of uber-hypocrit, and attempt to lecture on hypocrisy is ... well... comically hypocritical.

But keep 'em coming Shelly ;)
 
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Psychoclown said:
............. As far Newt's supporters being hypocritical, yeah that certainly applies as well. If you tried to crucify Clinton over Gennifer Flowers back in 92, then the same standard should apply to Newt today.
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Can you show any of us where Clinton, the candidate, acknowledged his earlier transgressions ? Asked for forgiveness while a candidate ? Made any affirmation that he had sought redemption, and changed his ways, while as a candidate ?

What I see is that after '92, Clinton was still thinking with his little head.
 
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misterman said:
I explain why talking about Clinton or his supporters is completely pointless, and you respond by doing it some more.
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LOL .... well, maybe your "explanation" wasn't very good, and you need to try again. ;)
 
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VanceMack said:
Not in the least. Bring Clinton back tomorrow...I'll sign the petition. I dont really care about the affairs of a person, I care about their ability to lead. Clinton was a scumbag...had the morals of a...well...a politician. But he was a good president. I highly doubt Romney has had an affair...but I wouldnt vote for him on a bet.

In politics Im not looking for a saint or a confessor. Im looking for a leader.
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Glad you're consistent. (But I wasn't really talking about Clinton - I'm the one who said we shouldn't, after all.)
 
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misterman said:
........ And the fact that you continue to dodge the question - the absolute central question to this thread - says an awful lot. .....
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OMG ! My apologies !!!! Yikes ... the thread is "82, Do You think Adultery is Right or Wrong" ....... I missed that, and did not mean to ..........

............ Oh wait.

Red herring much ?
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
LOL .... well, maybe your "explanation" wasn't very good, and you need to try again. ;)
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Is adultery wrong? Is lying wrong?

Such simple questions.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
OMG ! My apologies !!!! Yikes ... the thread is "82, Do You think Adultery is Right or Wrong" ....... I missed that, and did not mean to ..........

............ Oh wait.

Red herring much ?
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It's not a red herring. Simply answer. You could have a long time ago.
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Can you show any of us where Clinton, the candidate, acknowledged his earlier transgressions ? Asked for forgiveness while a candidate ? Made any affirmation that he had sought redemption, and changed his ways, while as a candidate ?

What I see is that after '92, Clinton was still thinking with his little head.
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It's 2012 though. Clinton's not running. Newt is. What's he think with?
 
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