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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And yet many of the more technology/internet literate professors do not take this stance. Like the congressmen who don't know how the internet actually works, a lot of older professors don't understand how Wikipedia works. They don't realize that Wiki articles are cited like any other professional work, or that malicious changes are removed within a few hours. Every single article has its sources in primary information, or else puts a big banner on top if such citation is missing. A wiki is more accurate than a printed encyclopedia, able to be revised and have errors fixed, and is far faster and easier to navigate than printed books. As a source of knowledge, it is superior. Get with the 21st century guys.
    21st Century - the Century of lazy and stupid. Hey, someone should make a movie about.... wait a minute!


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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This is all true, but my professors never really had a problem with me citing secondary or even tertiary sources. I'm a history and social sciences major, so the way we write and do research differs from how, for example, a science major might do a research paper. Of course primary sources are stronger, but secondary and tertiary sources are useful as well.
    I was groomed to respect the traditional encyclopedia and other established tertiary sources, but to mostly run to the secondary sources it lists and evaluate those, and then covet the primary sources used within the secondary sources. With subjects in the humanities, social sciences, or history (my area as well), Wikipedia can do the subjects little justice. You just have to question the entire methodology. I have seen too many third rate magazines or newspapers used to summarize a historical or political work instead of the works themselves. I have also seen very little insight as to which sources they would bother picking or why they made that choice. You give your authority to low rate researchers: the every man with the internet at his or her fingertips rather than the person trained in the craft for decades. A starting point is all I will grant Wikipedia.
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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Re: Research papers/sources

    My professors always required that we use the databases the school provides access to. The sources within the database are pretty board-ranging and the databases themselves are a cluster-eff of confusion. I've actually used Wikipedia (specifically the citation links/info at the end of articles) to help me pinpoint key-words, journal names, or other information that might help me find what I need. It is a useful site, depending on how you approach it.
    I agree depending on the circumstances and setting. Nevertheless, Wikipedia is to accuracy and knowledge what processed food is to nourishment.

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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I agree depending on the circumstances and setting. Nevertheless, Wikipedia is to accuracy and knowledge what processed food is to nourishment.
    Cheeto's is a major food group.... isn't it?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    Shut down? Yay! Now, if only their entire "database" would just crash we might actually start making some headway in the quest for real knowledge and effective research.
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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Re: Research papers/sources

    My professors always required that we use the databases the school provides access to. The sources within the database are pretty board-ranging and the databases themselves are a cluster-eff of confusion. I've actually used Wikipedia (specifically the citation links/info at the end of articles) to help me pinpoint key-words, journal names, or other information that might help me find what I need. It is a useful site, depending on how you approach it.
    Yes, it is. No, it's not a legitimate scholarly source, which its co-creator stated plainly in a Time article a few years ago. But it's a great launchpad when you know nothing about a concept or idea because you can glean the names of major players and milestones. Further, many Wiki articles do have bibliographies, and these too provide shortcuts. The responsibility will always lie with the researcher through determine the value of sources. I appreciate the quick summaries, and often I read a Wiki entry just for the "big picture."

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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Cheeto's is a major food group.... isn't it?
    For some it is ...



    ...and they pay the price.


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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    Wikipedia i can live without. Wookieepedia i can not. Oh how i love thee.
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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    I dunno if anyone has posted an update, but this keeps it as 'breaking news'.

    Congressional support for controversial online piracy legislation eroded dramatically on Wednesday in the face of an unprecedented online protest supported by tech titans such as Google, Wikipedia and Facebook.

    Several key senators withdrew their support from the Senate's Protect IP Act (PIPA), including Tea Party favorite Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), an elected member of his party's leadership.

    Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), who leads the Senate GOP's campaign team, said the legislation should be put on hold, while Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), a sponsor and the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, retreated from the bill. Sen. John Boozman (R-Ark.) also withdrew his sponsorship.

    Thousands of websites went dark on Wednesday to protest the two Internet piracy bills, the House's Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Senate's PIPA. At least two California Democrats, Reps. Anna Eshoo and Zoe Lofgren, joined the protests by blacking out their websites.

    Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), a leader of Senate conservatives, also came out against the bills, calling them "misguided bills that will cause more harm than good."

    "When protecting intellectual property rights, we must not undermine free speech, threaten economic growth, or impose burdensome regulations," DeMint tweeted.

    Opposition is also building in the House. Two of the original Republican co-sponsors of SOPA, Reps. Ben Quayle (Ariz.) and Lee Terry (Neb.), withdrew their support Tuesday before the protests began, and scores of other lawmakers took to Twitter Wednesday to affirm their opposition...

    Hundreds of millions of Internet users, most of whom might have been unaware of the bills until Wednesday, are likely to have noticed the protests...

    Wikipedia — the world's sixth most popular site, according to the Web firm Alexa — went a step further, shutting down its English-language site entirely. Visitors to Wikipedia are greeted with a minimalistic, dark page with the headline: "Imagine a world without free knowledge."
    Five key senators abandon online piracy bills amid Web protests - The Hill's Hillicon Valley


    We win, they can eat a crap.

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    Re: Wow! Wiki really is shut down!

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We win, they can eat a crap.
    They can keep Wikipedia closed for a little while longer though.... can't they?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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