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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    I can see why they needed five guys to do this...they can't punch worth a sh!t. What a bunch of pussies, and complete morons for having one dudes total face on camera. He'll roll over, because they're pussies and they'll all be arrested. With clear video evidence, no less.

    Furthermore, the whole "racial" epitaph things is misunderstood. I know dudes like this, white boys dropping "nugguh" because that's what 50 Cent and Lil B say in their songs. They're fronting as thugs to sound tough and intimidate the poor guy getting beat. I doubt it's really a "racist" thing, the n-bombs.

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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If he had a gun there are two likely outcomes. First, it never would have happened. Second, one of them would have taken his gun and shot him with it.Otherwise, whether it would be legal would be how long he kept shooting and if he kept shooting other ones in the back as they fled.

    Overly pessimistic. If taking guns away from people was so simple, there would be far far fewer shootings.


    People getting their guns taken away rarely happens IRL unless they drop it or wave it around but won't fire it.

    The main exception is if someone is already grappling you. In that case, tactically pulling a gun is contra-indicated; it is needful to escape the grapple first. A knife is much handier in that instance.

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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    I can see why they needed five guys to do this...they can't punch worth a sh!t. What a bunch of pussies, and complete morons for having one dudes total face on camera. He'll roll over, because they're pussies and they'll all be arrested. With clear video evidence, no less.

    Furthermore, the whole "racial" epitaph things is misunderstood. I know dudes like this, white boys dropping "nugguh" because that's what 50 Cent and Lil B say in their songs. They're fronting as thugs to sound tough and intimidate the poor guy getting beat. I doubt it's really a "racist" thing, the n-bombs.


    They're apparently all Asian, so racial motives seem improbable... though national identity/linguistic-group could possibly have played a role.

    In any case I oppose hate crimes laws. Violence is violence, and this sort of thing is "hateful" period regardless of motive. They should be punished severely, for aggravated assault and battery and lynching.

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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    They're apparently all Asian, so racial motives seem improbable... though national identity/linguistic-group could possibly have played a role.

    In any case I oppose hate crimes laws. Violence is violence, and this sort of thing is "hateful" period regardless of motive. They should be punished severely, for aggravated assault and battery and lynching.
    Not to get caught up in racial indentity BS, but they seem white to me. The one dude who's face was clearly visible seemed like every college kid where I live-- whiter than the day is long.

    But it really doesn't matter. I agree, hate crime legislation is BS even in this case. Would this assault be any less disgusting, despicable and criminal if it wasn't a racist attack? This is very bad no matter "why" it happened. I'm pretty sure all crimes like this are "hateful".

    I'd love to see how they fare in a Chicago prison. P Stones and Vice Lords are hardcore, these punks will be currency in prison. Especially with fighting skills as poor as that.

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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    Not that I excuse the beating (I don't and think it was wrong), but I do have to wonder. When in the hell will people learn not to video tape themselves doing illegal things? It's about as stupid as trying to run away from the cops with no belt and your pants hanging down below your ass.

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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    My mistake, apparently the attackers were white.

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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    They're apparently all Asian, so racial motives seem improbable... though national identity/linguistic-group could possibly have played a role.

    In any case I oppose hate crimes laws. Violence is violence, and this sort of thing is "hateful" period regardless of motive. They should be punished severely, for aggravated assault and battery and lynching.
    I agree. I'm not at all a fan of "hate crime" laws. Crimes are crimes, and they aren't committed with love. It just muddles up the situation and is a politically correct solution to a law enforcement problem.

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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    As a libertarian, I've never felt more in support of hate crime laws in my life.
    There's no need to call it a hate crime. It's already a crime. Aggravated battery (which it certainly looks like to me) carries a prison sentence of up to 5 years in Illinois. Hopefully all six of them get the maximum sentence. Hell, if I was the prosecutor, I'd press for attempted murder.
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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    Quote Originally Posted by david52875 View Post
    Absolutely send them to jail. But not for being racially insensitive, send them to jail for ganging up on and brutally beating someone.
    Bingo. A person's motivation is irrelevant, and why "hate crimes" are completely unnecessary. The crime is the crime. Period.

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    Re: These kids should go to JAIL!

    Good thing Illinois is still one of the last bastions for the opposition of citizen's rights and personal defense. It is clear that, due to these restrictions, vicious criminals throughout the state are being cowed into law abiding behavior and cities like Chicago are well on their way to being Utopian metropolises of love and harmony.
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