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    In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Looks to me like someone is attempting to suppress those that cant/don't drive, or don't have a photo ID from voting. Wonder why?


    Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:26pm EST

    (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, appearing at a Martin Luther King holiday rally in South Carolina, warned on Monday that voting rights laws are still at risk and said aggressive enforcement of those laws is "a moral imperative."


    <"The reality is that - in jurisdictions across the country - both overt and subtle forms of discrimination remain all too common," Holder, who is black, told hundreds of people attending an annual rally to honor King, the slain civil rights leader, on the steps of the South Carolina state capitol.>





    <The South Carolina law required voters to show a state-issued photo identification card to cast a ballot in an election. Republican supporters said it would prevent voter fraud, but Democratic critics argued it would make it harder for those without driver's licenses, many of them poor and black, to cast a ballot.>


    <The Justice Department blocked the law after ruling it could hinder the right to vote of tens of thousands of people. It noted that just more than a third of the state's minorities who are registered voters did not have a driver's license. The state plans to fight the ruling in court.>


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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    If only a driver's l;icense will do, then this law is in trouble. However, most states that have enacted voter photo ID requirements also make it easy for anybody to get a photo ID free of charge. If SC didn't do this, then they have a problem.

    What alternate method does South Carolina provide for those people who don't drive?

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    I honestly don't see the big hoopla over having to show an ID. You have to show an ID to get alcohol, buy cigarettes, pick up certain medications prescribed to you, apply for a passport to legally leave and reenter the country, and numerous other things. This isn't a violation of voter rights and is a good thing.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I honestly don't see the big hoopla over having to show an ID. You have to show an ID to get alcohol, buy cigarettes, pick up certain medications prescribed to you, apply for a passport to legally leave and reenter the country, and numerous other things. This isn't a violation of voter rights and is a good thing.
    Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.

    The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.

    The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
    Anyone who lives in the state can obtain a State I.D. I wish we required them in Illinois. "Hi, what's your name? Address? Here's your ballot." What??? Why would Democrats oppose this law? Why wouldn't they simply work to make it dirt-easy to get a State I.D.? There's only one reason, in my opinion. And it has nothing to do with protecting voters' rights.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.

    The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
    Most elderly people still have IDs. Most of them want their oxys and lortab and have no issue showing it to pharmacy staff in order to pick up those meds.

    Why should a university ID qualify? Obtaining a public university ID is much different from being issued a legal state ID. At a university all you need to do is be a student, they typically don't have your address information, signature, and other stats on them (at least mine doesn't).

    In the case of the elderly and immobile I think it would be reasonable for the state to provide them with a free ID. In our state the elderly aren't required to have their photo on the ID and it is still valid for all legal purposes.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Getting an ID is not easy at all in some states. Around here they will not issue a state ID card to anyone under andy circumstance. Drivers license yes, ID no. And a DL is required to vote.

    IDs will not stop voter fraud because nearly all of it is done by the election workers themselves. Poll workers can effectively cast as many votes as they want at the end of the day by just seeing which registered voters didn't show up and casting votes in those names signing false signatures for each. Accordingly, the talk about voter ID is off point and will solve nothing.

    Requiring an original voter card that must be stamped when voting would stop multiple vote-casting fraud in most instances. Unless a method is devised to stop poll workers from casting votes for voters who do not appear voter fraud will continue on a mass scale.
    When I have been an election judge of a primary polling places for both political parties (different election seasons), only myself running the election, I could have cast upwards of 500 votes if I had cared to. As for who could vote, I allowed anyone whose name matched the voter registration book. If the person claimed their name missing by error, I had them fill out the necessary form and then vote.

    I did not ask for IDs. Instead, when it was dead I would go outside and ask people "did you vote yet today?" If the person said no I invited the person in. "It'll only take a few minutes" I'd assure, "and it might be an interesting experience."

    Stop polling place fraud by poll workers and 99.9% of voter fraud is eliminated.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Getting an ID is not easy at all in some states. Around here they will not issue a state ID card to anyone under andy circumstance. Drivers license yes, ID no. And a DL is required to vote.

    IDs will not stop voter fraud because nearly all of it is done by the election workers themselves. Poll workers can effectively cast as many votes as they want at the end of the day by just seeing which registered voters didn't show up and casting votes in those names signing false signatures for each. Accordingly, the talk about voter ID is off point and will solve nothing.

    Requiring an original voter card that must be stamped when voting would stop multiple vote-casting fraud in most instances. Unless a method is devised to stop poll workers from casting votes for voters who do not appear voter fraud will continue on a mass scale.
    Do you live in the United States? I cannot believe you live here and must have a driver's license in order to vote. Link?
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    According to the 2010 census South Carolina has a population of 4,645,975, Wisconsin has a populatin of 5,698,230.I don’t know if there has been a survey done on voter frauds in South Carolina but one was done in Wisconsin. They found “7 substantiated cases of individuals knowingly casting invalid votes that counted “. Hardly looks like a major case of voter fraud to me.Ssoo…if its now broke why the fix?Unless….
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Anyone who lives in the state can obtain a State I.D. I wish we required them in Illinois. "Hi, what's your name? Address? Here's your ballot." What??? Why would Democrats oppose this law? Why wouldn't they simply work to make it dirt-easy to get a State I.D.? There's only one reason, in my opinion. And it has nothing to do with protecting voters' rights.
    I think the only reason for it is to suppress the black vote. South Carolina always amazes me. It has a very high percentage of black citizens and votes Republican. That is perplexing to me. Perhaps not to you.

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