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In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

If only a driver's l;icense will do, then this law is in trouble. However, most states that have enacted voter photo ID requirements also make it easy for anybody to get a photo ID free of charge. If SC didn't do this, then they have a problem.

What alternate method does South Carolina provide for those people who don't drive?

You have to have a photo ID to register to vote. What's the big brew-ha-ha to have to show a photo ID to actually vote?
 

How can a person prove his or her citizenship?


California Elections Code section 2111 permits a person to prove they are a citizen who is eligible to register to vote by signing the affidavit of registration under penalty of perjury.

Frequently Asked Questions - Elections & Voter Information - California Secretary of State

How do your first photo ID? Or a SS card? Ever hear of a birth certificate?

Again: anyone that doesn't have a photo ID, isn't registered to vote, anyway.
 
How do your first photo ID? Or a SS card? Ever hear of a birth certificate?

Again: anyone that doesn't have a photo ID, isn't registered to vote, anyway.


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How do your first photo ID? Or a SS card? Ever hear of a birth certificate?

Again: anyone that doesn't have a photo ID, isn't registered to vote, anyway.

You realize that you don't need a photo ID to GET a photo ID, right? So what's the ****ing point of requiring a photo ID to vote, rather than, say, the documents you would use to get a photo ID to begin with? Could it be any less logical?
 
A photo ID in SC is $5.00, the fee is waived in cases of hardship. Welfare/medicaid/pay stubs/1099s/CoLB/social security card/proof of address/medicare/ss documents....LOTS of things are proof of indentity to get one. Almost anyone thats a SC citizen can get one. So tell us again what the deal is? Im curious.

Go to the DMV website and do some due diligence for once. Find out exactly whats required.
 
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How do your first photo ID? Or a SS card? Ever hear of a birth certificate?

Again: anyone that doesn't have a photo ID, isn't registered to vote, anyway.

California actually does not accept Drivers Licenses from other states. Their system requires...REQUIRES a Certificate of Live Birth obtained from the Secretary of State of your previous state to recieve one. The hold up is approximately 30 days to get one, California requires you to relicense in 10 days and register your vehicle in 20 days, neither of which is possible without a California license. :roll::shock::doh
 
first, your list of items that require photo ID's are for the exercise of privileges; voting is a right.

good luck with the right to carry a gun without showing photo Id and going through a background check, making your above claim ridiculous
 
They sure have,in Wisconsin they found seven.:2wave:"This amounts to a rate of 0.0025% within Milwaukee and 0.0002% within the state as a whole. None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls. "

Wisconsin, 2004 (The Truth About Fraud)

I find this link absurd. They claim that in one of the cases, a 17 year old being allowed to vote wouldn't of been corrected by requiring photo id. How do they figure that?
 
If only a driver's l;icense will do, then this law is in trouble. However, most states that have enacted voter photo ID requirements also make it easy for anybody to get a photo ID free of charge. If SC didn't do this, then they have a problem.

What alternate method does South Carolina provide for those people who don't drive?
You have to have a photo ID to register to vote. What's the big brew-ha-ha to have to show a photo ID to actually vote?
You know what is better than watching the right make stuff up?

Watching them getting caught at it :lamo


South Carolina voter registration form (excerpt):

ID Required: If you are registering for the first time in this county, you must attach a copy of a current valid photo ID or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck or other government document that shows your name and address in this county. If you do not provide this identification now, you will be required to provide this information when you vote. Voters who are age 65 and over, voters with disabilities, members of the U.S. Uniformed Services or Merchant Marines and their families, and U.S. Citizens residing outside the U.S. are exempt from this requirement.

http://www.scvotes.org/files/VR_Blank_Form.pdf

from SC Election Commission: Voter Registration
 
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How do your first photo ID? Or a SS card? Ever hear of a birth certificate?

Again: anyone that doesn't have a photo ID, isn't registered to vote, anyway.

You need to stop applying the 'let's stop black people from registrering to vote' laws of Louisiana to the rest of the country.
 
You have to have a photo ID to register to vote. What's the big brew-ha-ha to have to show a photo ID to actually vote?

Not in Minnesota you don't. Show up with your gas bill at your current address and you can vote.

I don't car if they do ask for a photo ID. Really, it's fine with me, go ahead and require it. It just doesn't solve the problem, which is such a small problem to begin with. So you're adding government regulations that don't solve something that's not really a problem. I thought you guys were against unnecessary government regulation, but I guess not...
 
Not in Minnesota you don't. Show up with your gas bill at your current address and you can vote.

I don't car if they do ask for a photo ID. Really, it's fine with me, go ahead and require it. It just doesn't solve the problem, which is such a small problem to begin with. So you're adding government regulations that don't solve something that's not really a problem. I thought you guys were against unnecessary government regulation, but I guess not...


same for wi....same day registration.
 
If only a driver's l;icense will do, then this law is in trouble. However, most states that have enacted voter photo ID requirements also make it easy for anybody to get a photo ID free of charge. If SC didn't do this, then they have a problem.

What alternate method does South Carolina provide for those people who don't drive?

I don't know how it works in South Carolina, but in Texas, if you don't have a driver's license, you have to pay to get a state issued ID. If it is the same in South Carolina, and that ID is required in order to vote, then this amounts to a poll tax, and would be unconstitutional.
 
I don't know how it works in South Carolina, but in Texas, if you don't have a driver's license, you have to pay to get a state issued ID. If it is the same in South Carolina, and that ID is required in order to vote, then this amounts to a poll tax, and would be unconstitutional.

Easy enough to solve.

We want to ensure a fair election. This means only those eligible can vote, and they can do so only once.

One of the legitimate functions of government is to ensure a fair election process, so I see no problem with a limited government function of providing ID’s at the states expense (knowing that the people are paying for it anyway)
 
Easy enough to solve.

We want to ensure a fair election. This means only those eligible can vote, and they can do so only once.

One of the legitimate functions of government is to ensure a fair election process, so I see no problem with a limited government function of providing ID’s at the states expense (knowing that the people are paying for it anyway)

Whoa. What you're saying is we need to expand the size and scope of the Federal Government through an unfunded mandate?????? And you're "A Real Conservative?"
 
Whoa. What you're saying is we need to expand the size and scope of the Federal Government through an unfunded mandate?????? And you're "A Real Conservative?"

in a thread about a state attempting to enact legislation you introduce a federal government straw man.

get the weak sauce out of here.
 
in a thread about a state attempting to enact legislation you introduce a federal government straw man.

get the weak sauce out of here.

So big state government is cool with you. Makes sense. :roll:
 
Getting an ID is not easy at all in some states. Around here they will not issue a state ID card to anyone under andy circumstance. Drivers license yes, ID no. And a DL is required to vote.

IDs will not stop voter fraud because nearly all of it is done by the election workers themselves. Poll workers can effectively cast as many votes as they want at the end of the day by just seeing which registered voters didn't show up and casting votes in those names signing false signatures for each. Accordingly, the talk about voter ID is off point and will solve nothing.

Requiring an original voter card that must be stamped when voting would stop multiple vote-casting fraud in most instances. Unless a method is devised to stop poll workers from casting votes for voters who do not appear voter fraud will continue on a mass scale.
When I have been an election judge of a primary polling places for both political parties (different election seasons), only myself running the election, I could have cast upwards of 500 votes if I had cared to. As for who could vote, I allowed anyone whose name matched the voter registration book. If the person claimed their name missing by error, I had them fill out the necessary form and then vote.

I did not ask for IDs. Instead, when it was dead I would go outside and ask people "did you vote yet today?" If the person said no I invited the person in. "It'll only take a few minutes" I'd assure, "and it might be an interesting experience."

Stop polling place fraud by poll workers and 99.9% of voter fraud is eliminated.

I have never heard of one person having access to voting materials such as being able to manipulate the voter rolls and ballots etc without others around, let alone you running a polling place by yourself. Which country do you live in again?

Anyone who lives in the state can obtain a State I.D. I wish we required them in Illinois. "Hi, what's your name? Address? Here's your ballot."..........

To vote in Illinois: Step up to the first table in the room and hear, "Hi! Your name?" Give them your name, they look it up on their roster and hand you a ballot.....

Since when does one need links to prove common sense?

If I can walk into my polling place, announce my name and get a ballot without proving I am who I say I am........(BTW, that's exactly how one votes in Illinois.)

Did you forget that a signature is required to obtain a ballot and that the signature you provided is compared to the signature on the voter rolls/records?

It's not as if people in Illinois can merely walk in and say hi am am Moe Howard and then they get to vote, if there is no copy of the voters signature on record then(besides being registered in the precinct)they must prove who they are with documentation and then provide a signature which will be saved for future elections. You are correct in stating that just about anyone can cast a ballot in Illinois, however that ballot may wind up going directly into the trash(the reason questionable voters are required to use the electronic voting machines to cast a provisional ballot). I have worked as a election judge and find it sort of sad that people think there are shenanigans going on behind the scenes as if there was a conspiracy to allow people that don't qualify to vote cast a good clean ballot, there is a reason election judges are made up of bipartisan groups of ordinary people and not a room full of just democrats or republicans.

Check out one of the Cook County judges of elections handbook if you would like to find information on the subject for Illinois:
http://www.cookcountyclerk.com/elections/DocumentLibrary/2010%20EJ%20Manual.pdf

If there was fraud the first thing that comes to mind is someone trying to cast a ballot in another persons name such as someone that is deceased.

I do know one thing, when a legitimate shows up and is turned away from the polls for whatever reason it is a sad event indeed. I usually feel a sense of overall participation and even might feel honored etc when going to vote and the one true way to make a person feel really crappy IMO is to have someone say sorry you aren't allowed participate.

I have 1 form of picture ID and if I should get stopped for speeding on the way to vote and the officer impounds my(picture ID)license and issues me a citation then my chances of casting a ballot(if ID where required)just became zero.

My :twocents: isn't usually worth much, but I am willing to give it up anyway.

Peace.

Have you forgotten my post about the signature requirement (which you happened to like) way back when?
 
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I was coming into this thread hoping that there was something about the election manipulation going on right now. Maybe you don't know, but Fox News has been on the air quite a few times now saying that the South Carolina is a closed primary, but this is the exact opposite of the truth.
 
So big state government is cool with you. Makes sense. :roll:

ensuring fair elections is not big government. taking care of us cradle to grave and policing the world is big government.
 
Easy enough to solve.

We want to ensure a fair election. This means only those eligible can vote, and they can do so only once.

One of the legitimate functions of government is to ensure a fair election process, so I see no problem with a limited government function of providing ID’s at the states expense (knowing that the people are paying for it anyway)

I see no issue if that was he case. Unfortunately...these laws are not doing things like that. They are playing politics not allowing some forms of identification (school ID's for one) and allowing others (gun registrations). Everybody is goin to make up their own mind....but that is clearly bull****.
 
I see no issue if that was he case. Unfortunately...these laws are not doing things like that. They are playing politics not allowing some forms of identification (school ID's for one) and allowing others (gun registrations). Everybody is goin to make up their own mind....but that is clearly bull****.

Americans in favor of voter id laws are being accused of racism for wanting to improve the election process. That is what I am seeing.
 
It's the trying to improve the election process that is the reason for calls of racism. It's how it's being proposed.
The counter proposals would undermine the results we would like to achieve. School ID’s are not a good method of improving the process.

Each school ID is unique, making it pretty much impossible for those in charge of monitoring the process to know if the ID is legitimate or a forgery. It also would make it easy for students to vote in two states, or even two districts in the same state.
 
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