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In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

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Looks to me like someone is attempting to suppress those that cant/don't drive, or don't have a photo ID from voting. Wonder why?:roll:


Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:26pm EST

(Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, appearing at a Martin Luther King holiday rally in South Carolina, warned on Monday that voting rights laws are still at risk and said aggressive enforcement of those laws is "a moral imperative."


<"The reality is that - in jurisdictions across the country - both overt and subtle forms of discrimination remain all too common," Holder, who is black, told hundreds of people attending an annual rally to honor King, the slain civil rights leader, on the steps of the South Carolina state capitol.>





<The South Carolina law required voters to show a state-issued photo identification card to cast a ballot in an election. Republican supporters said it would prevent voter fraud, but Democratic critics argued it would make it harder for those without driver's licenses, many of them poor and black, to cast a ballot.>


<The Justice Department blocked the law after ruling it could hinder the right to vote of tens of thousands of people. It noted that just more than a third of the state's minorities who are registered voters did not have a driver's license. The state plans to fight the ruling in court.>


In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk | Reuters
 
If only a driver's l;icense will do, then this law is in trouble. However, most states that have enacted voter photo ID requirements also make it easy for anybody to get a photo ID free of charge. If SC didn't do this, then they have a problem.

What alternate method does South Carolina provide for those people who don't drive?
 
I honestly don't see the big hoopla over having to show an ID. You have to show an ID to get alcohol, buy cigarettes, pick up certain medications prescribed to you, apply for a passport to legally leave and reenter the country, and numerous other things. This isn't a violation of voter rights and is a good thing.
 
I honestly don't see the big hoopla over having to show an ID. You have to show an ID to get alcohol, buy cigarettes, pick up certain medications prescribed to you, apply for a passport to legally leave and reenter the country, and numerous other things. This isn't a violation of voter rights and is a good thing.

Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.

The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
 
Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.

The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.

Anyone who lives in the state can obtain a State I.D. I wish we required them in Illinois. "Hi, what's your name? Address? Here's your ballot." What??? Why would Democrats oppose this law? Why wouldn't they simply work to make it dirt-easy to get a State I.D.? There's only one reason, in my opinion. And it has nothing to do with protecting voters' rights.
 
Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.

The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.

Most elderly people still have IDs. Most of them want their oxys and lortab and have no issue showing it to pharmacy staff in order to pick up those meds.

Why should a university ID qualify? Obtaining a public university ID is much different from being issued a legal state ID. At a university all you need to do is be a student, they typically don't have your address information, signature, and other stats on them (at least mine doesn't).

In the case of the elderly and immobile I think it would be reasonable for the state to provide them with a free ID. In our state the elderly aren't required to have their photo on the ID and it is still valid for all legal purposes.
 
Getting an ID is not easy at all in some states. Around here they will not issue a state ID card to anyone under andy circumstance. Drivers license yes, ID no. And a DL is required to vote.

IDs will not stop voter fraud because nearly all of it is done by the election workers themselves. Poll workers can effectively cast as many votes as they want at the end of the day by just seeing which registered voters didn't show up and casting votes in those names signing false signatures for each. Accordingly, the talk about voter ID is off point and will solve nothing.

Requiring an original voter card that must be stamped when voting would stop multiple vote-casting fraud in most instances. Unless a method is devised to stop poll workers from casting votes for voters who do not appear voter fraud will continue on a mass scale.
When I have been an election judge of a primary polling places for both political parties (different election seasons), only myself running the election, I could have cast upwards of 500 votes if I had cared to. As for who could vote, I allowed anyone whose name matched the voter registration book. If the person claimed their name missing by error, I had them fill out the necessary form and then vote.

I did not ask for IDs. Instead, when it was dead I would go outside and ask people "did you vote yet today?" If the person said no I invited the person in. "It'll only take a few minutes" I'd assure, "and it might be an interesting experience."

Stop polling place fraud by poll workers and 99.9% of voter fraud is eliminated.
 
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Getting an ID is not easy at all in some states. Around here they will not issue a state ID card to anyone under andy circumstance. Drivers license yes, ID no. And a DL is required to vote.

IDs will not stop voter fraud because nearly all of it is done by the election workers themselves. Poll workers can effectively cast as many votes as they want at the end of the day by just seeing which registered voters didn't show up and casting votes in those names signing false signatures for each. Accordingly, the talk about voter ID is off point and will solve nothing.

Requiring an original voter card that must be stamped when voting would stop multiple vote-casting fraud in most instances. Unless a method is devised to stop poll workers from casting votes for voters who do not appear voter fraud will continue on a mass scale.

Do you live in the United States? I cannot believe you live here and must have a driver's license in order to vote. Link?
 
According to the 2010 census South Carolina has a population of 4,645,975, Wisconsin has a populatin of 5,698,230.I don’t know if there has been a survey done on voter frauds in South Carolina but one was done in Wisconsin. They found “7 substantiated cases of individuals knowingly casting invalid votes that counted “. Hardly looks like a major case of voter fraud to me.Ssoo…if its now broke why the fix?Unless….
 
Anyone who lives in the state can obtain a State I.D. I wish we required them in Illinois. "Hi, what's your name? Address? Here's your ballot." What??? Why would Democrats oppose this law? Why wouldn't they simply work to make it dirt-easy to get a State I.D.? There's only one reason, in my opinion. And it has nothing to do with protecting voters' rights.

I think the only reason for it is to suppress the black vote. South Carolina always amazes me. It has a very high percentage of black citizens and votes Republican. That is perplexing to me. Perhaps not to you.
 
I think the only reason for it is to suppress the black vote. South Carolina always amazes me. It has a very high percentage of black citizens and votes Republican. That is perplexing to me. Perhaps not to you.

South Carolina is in the south, where most citizens tend to vote Republican (Georgia, TN, and other southern states lean Republican but also have a high African American population). Likewise, some northern states tend to go Democrat that do not have a very large African American population.

Why would requiring an ID suppress the black vote? Do they not drive or at least have a state ID?
 
Looks to me like someone is attempting to suppress those that cant/don't drive, or don't have a photo ID from voting. Wonder why?:roll:


Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:26pm EST

(Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, appearing at a Martin Luther King holiday rally in South Carolina, warned on Monday that voting rights laws are still at risk and said aggressive enforcement of those laws is "a moral imperative."


<"The reality is that - in jurisdictions across the country - both overt and subtle forms of discrimination remain all too common," Holder, who is black, told hundreds of people attending an annual rally to honor King, the slain civil rights leader, on the steps of the South Carolina state capitol.>





<The South Carolina law required voters to show a state-issued photo identification card to cast a ballot in an election. Republican supporters said it would prevent voter fraud, but Democratic critics argued it would make it harder for those without driver's licenses, many of them poor and black, to cast a ballot.>


<The Justice Department blocked the law after ruling it could hinder the right to vote of tens of thousands of people. It noted that just more than a third of the state's minorities who are registered voters did not have a driver's license. The state plans to fight the ruling in court.>


In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk | Reuters

The South Carolina Law didn't mandate that only drivers licenses were valid. That is misinformation being spread by the opponents of the law. A state issued ID is available for everybody who wants one.

And Eric Holder is a complete idiot.
 
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Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and

My grandfather is 79 years old and he has a driver's license.
most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.

You don't have to be rich to get a ID or driver's license.In South Carolina a 10 year driver's license cost 25 dollars and a 5 year driver's license costs 12.50,something anyone can affforn especially if they are on SS or some other tax payer funded service.
SC Department of Motor Vehicles


The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...


What are the standards for getting a University ID? Can anyone including those on a VISA get a university ID?Do you have to submit a SS card and state issued birth certificate?Do they allow illegals to attend the universities and do they get IDs?

this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
Why would a university student not have a state ID or driver's license? They are old enough to be carded when they buy smokes and booze. When you file the paper work to enroll you do need to submit various forms of ID,After all those universities are going to want their money
 
I honestly don't see the big hoopla over having to show an ID. You have to show an ID to get alcohol, buy cigarettes, pick up certain medications prescribed to you, apply for a passport to legally leave and reenter the country, and numerous other things. This isn't a violation of voter rights and is a good thing.

IF you can't get a fake ID. Which, of course, you can.

It doesn't end voter fraud, it simply changes how to go about committing the crime
 
I think the only reason for it is to suppress the black vote. South Carolina always amazes me. It has a very high percentage of black citizens and votes Republican. That is perplexing to me. Perhaps not to you.

Blacks can't afford a driver's license or go down to the DMV to get a free ID? You must think very lowly of black people if you think they are incapable of producing 25 bucks for a ten year driver's license or too stupid to go to the DMV to get a free ID.

SC Department of Motor Vehicles
Still Need a South Carolina Identification Card?
If you missed South Carolina Identification Card Day, you can still get an Identification Card at any SCDMV office. Identification cards are free to citizens who are 17 years of age or older. Click here to learn more about the requirements.
 
According to the 2010 census South Carolina has a population of 4,645,975, Wisconsin has a populatin of 5,698,230.I don’t know if there has been a survey done on voter frauds in South Carolina but one was done in Wisconsin. They found “7 substantiated cases of individuals knowingly casting invalid votes that counted “. Hardly looks like a major case of voter fraud to me.Ssoo…if its now broke why the fix?Unless….

In 2004, we had a very very close Governor's election that wound up in court. Both sides hired teams of lawyers to pour over voting records, which took about 5 months. The end result of all of this, when it wound up in court, was that although administrative errors were committed that called a couple of hundred votes into question, they found no instances of voter fraud out of about 2.5 million votes cast. And believe me, they looked.

Well, they did find a couple of instances where someone had died and their elderly spouse voted their absentee ballot because they 'knew' what the deceased person would have done, but I'm guessing the Republic can survive that.
 
Blacks can't afford a driver's license or go down to the DMV to get a free ID? You must think very lowly of black people if you think they are incapable of producing 25 bucks for a ten year driver's license or too stupid to go to the DMV to get a free ID.

SC Department of Motor Vehicles
Still Need a South Carolina Identification Card?
If you missed South Carolina Identification Card Day, you can still get an Identification Card at any SCDMV office. Identification cards are free to citizens who are 17 years of age or older. Click here to learn more about the requirements.

I'm guessing the 'free ID card' provision would probably remove any Constititutional objections. Of course if voters attempting to obtain those cards were threatened or intimidated in any way, that's a different story.
 
In 2004, we had a very very close Governor's election that wound up in court. Both sides hired teams of lawyers to pour over voting records, which took about 5 months. The end result of all of this, when it wound up in court, was that although administrative errors were committed that called a couple of hundred votes into question, they found no instances of voter fraud out of about 2.5 million votes cast. And believe me, they looked.

Well, they did find a couple of instances where someone had died and their elderly spouse voted their absentee ballot because they 'knew' what the deceased person would have done, but I'm guessing the Republic can survive that.
Unless they call up every registered voter whose signature appears on the sign in sheet and ask how they voted and how and compared it to the ballots they are not going to be able to prove fraud?
 
I'm guessing the 'free ID card' provision would probably remove any Constititutional objections. Of course if voters attempting to obtain those cards were threatened or intimidated in any way, that's a different story.

If doesn't matter if the ID cards are free or not. It would not violate the constitution to require that you show ID to vote. IDs are not a poll tax.

14th Amendment (1868): Regarding apportionment of Representatives.

15th Amendment (1870): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

19th Amendment (1920): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

23rd Amendment (1961): provides that residents of the District of Columbia can vote for the President and Vice-President.

24th Amendment (1964): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

26th Amendment (1971): "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."
 
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OMIGOSH...another member of the Obama admin tossed out the discrimination card? Thats ****ing SHOCKING!!! OMG...ID? However will they cash a check, buy cigarettes, alcohol, get medical care, etc etc etc...oh...wait...its not that big a deal after all...is it. FM...
 
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Unless they call up every registered voter whose signature appears on the sign in sheet and ask how they voted and how and compared it to the ballots they are not going to be able to prove fraud?
The way it works is that in order to prove something, you need to have proof.

I know that will come as a shock to some.... :2razz:
 
The way it works is that in order to prove something, you need to have proof.

I know that will come as a shock to some.... :2razz:

SO how can you prove that fraud is NOT happening?
 
Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.

The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.

a college Id could allow a student to vote twice, and just adds to voter fraud.

giving people the means to vote twice is basically the same as taking my vote away
 
In 2004, we had a very very close Governor's election that wound up in court. Both sides hired teams of lawyers to pour over voting records, which took about 5 months. The end result of all of this, when it wound up in court, was that although administrative errors were committed that called a couple of hundred votes into question, they found no instances of voter fraud out of about 2.5 million votes cast. And believe me, they looked.

Well, they did find a couple of instances where someone had died and their elderly spouse voted their absentee ballot because they 'knew' what the deceased person would have done, but I'm guessing the Republic can survive that.

The frustrating thing about these voter ID laws is the false claim that it will prevent fraud.

In Indiana (my home state), those who supported the voter ID law keep pointing to a study that said some of the petition signatures to get Obama and Clinton on the Democratic Primary ballot may have been forged.

Well, guess what? One: it's a primary not a general election. Two: Voter ID wouldn't address this issue at all.

It's a true bait & switch.

There were ineligible signatures on a petition! So, we have to have Voter IDs at the polls!

Present a problem; then say that you have a solution that isn't a solution at all.

Here's a perfect example of it: Voter fraud is real
 
I have been voting in elections for forty years. I have never been asked to show any photo ID. The person on the other side of the table at my voting precinct does their due diligence by matching the signature I produced in front of them with my signature on my voters application which is kept in a book on site.

There never has been any reason for a photo ID.

And none has ever been offered here to warrant such a change.
 
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