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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    People forge documents of all varieties all the time.
    Correct. Take money for example. Imagine how much more difficult it would be to verify a bill was authentic if we had hundreds of varieties of the same bill.

    School Id’s would create such a situation. So many different valid forms of Id’s would exist that it would be very difficult to spot a forged one.

    I guess the question is....how many people are you willing to make it more difficult or more costly to vote to stop a handful of cases of voting fraud? If from the numbers I've seen millions now have to get some form of allowed voter ID as an expense to vote to stop less than a hundred voter fraud cases worth it?
    This type of fraud is so hard to get statistics on, and the importance of fair elections is so vital, I feel this is a major function of the existence of state power.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    This type of fraud is so hard to get statistics on, and the importance of fair elections is so vital, I feel this is a major function of the existence of state power.
    I have no problem with voter ID's with pictures on them just to be clear that my problems have nothing to do with fair election..

    According to hard statistics we do have...millions of Americans which come from the worst off in society do not have any of the accepted identifications. So you don't have any hard statistics proving the voter fraud is a major problem but we'll go ahead and pass laws that will impact millions of Americans we know according to hard statistics that will negatively impact them and we can safely say that some will become disanfranchised. I don't think that's rational at all.

    Correct. Take money for example. Imagine how much more difficult it would be to verify a bill was authentic if we had hundreds of varieties of the same bill.

    School Id’s would create such a situation. So many different valid forms of Id’s would exist that it would be very difficult to spot a forged one.
    Here is a list of different states with different allowable forms of identification.
    Voter ID: State Requirements
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    According to hard statistics we do have...millions of Americans which come from the worst off in society do not have any of the accepted identifications]
    A state should certainly do their best to implement an education policy to get the citizens aware of changes, but this is not a valid reason to not improve the process.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    A state should certainly do their best to implement an education policy to get the citizens aware of changes, but this is not a valid reason to not improve the process.
    It would be prudent to first decide what actions would improve the process. The one being discussed here is dubious.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    A state should certainly do their best to implement an education policy to get the citizens aware of changes, but this is not a valid reason to not improve the process.
    Like I said...I'm all for making elections as fair as possible. Creating a monetary barrier that would affect the least well off I do not agree with. Everything should pass the bar of...if a homeless man was registered to vote...he should have no problem exercising that right. Put a picture on the ID card or print out pictures next to the names on the lists.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post

    This type of fraud is so hard to get statistics on, and the importance of fair elections is so vital, I feel this is a major function of the existence of state power.
    So its that hard to get statistics on? Then, on what do you base your opinion?

    How do you really know it is an issue at all?
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    So its that hard to get statistics on? Then, on what do you base your opinion?

    How do you really know it is an issue at all?
    why does it have to be proved to be a major issue? Every season we find some crazy occurrence somewhere in the country. Just happened in Iowa this month in fact.

    We know elections can be decided by the smallest of numbers, and we know voting irregularities, including people double voting have been found.

    the function of the state is to provide fair honest elections. I'm certainly not arguing this is the largest issue facing the country today, but it is a problem.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    why does it have to be proved to be a major issue? Every season we find some crazy occurrence somewhere in the country. Just happened in Iowa this month in fact.

    We know elections can be decided by the smallest of numbers, and we know voting irregularities, including people double voting have been found.

    the function of the state is to provide fair honest elections. I'm certainly not arguing this is the largest issue facing the country today, but it is a problem.
    At least it has to be proved to be an issue, or we are all wasting our time here.

    If its so hard to prove the issue at all, as you suggested, then there is no need to address it.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    At least it has to be proved to be an issue, or we are all wasting our time here.

    If its so hard to prove the issue at all, as you suggested, then there is no need to address it.
    residents of some states disagree apparently.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    [...] the function of the state is to provide fair honest elections. [...]
    If the state introduces a voting requirement that prevents some legal voters from casting their ballot, then the state is not providing fair honest elections. Agreed?

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