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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So big state government is cool with you. Makes sense.
    ensuring fair elections is not big government. taking care of us cradle to grave and policing the world is big government.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Easy enough to solve.

    We want to ensure a fair election. This means only those eligible can vote, and they can do so only once.

    One of the legitimate functions of government is to ensure a fair election process, so I see no problem with a limited government function of providing ID’s at the states expense (knowing that the people are paying for it anyway)
    I see no issue if that was he case. Unfortunately...these laws are not doing things like that. They are playing politics not allowing some forms of identification (school ID's for one) and allowing others (gun registrations). Everybody is goin to make up their own mind....but that is clearly bull****.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I see no issue if that was he case. Unfortunately...these laws are not doing things like that. They are playing politics not allowing some forms of identification (school ID's for one) and allowing others (gun registrations). Everybody is goin to make up their own mind....but that is clearly bull****.
    Americans in favor of voter id laws are being accused of racism for wanting to improve the election process. That is what I am seeing.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Americans in favor of voter id laws are being accused of racism for wanting to improve the election process. That is what I am seeing.
    It's the trying to improve the election process that is the reason for calls of racism. It's how it's being proposed.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's the trying to improve the election process that is the reason for calls of racism. It's how it's being proposed.
    The counter proposals would undermine the results we would like to achieve. School ID’s are not a good method of improving the process.

    Each school ID is unique, making it pretty much impossible for those in charge of monitoring the process to know if the ID is legitimate or a forgery. It also would make it easy for students to vote in two states, or even two districts in the same state.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Please -- don't make stuff up and offer it as an argument.
    So you are saying this woman went out and got a ID as soon as the law was passed?f she is unable to vote then that is her own fault.She had sufficient time to get a ID and to able to take care of any potential problems that may come up.

    It just wastes everyone's time, and makes the thread look dumb.
    Repeating that same dumb nonsense makes you look stupid.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    first, your list of items that require photo ID's are for the exercise of privileges; voting is a right. The issue is about creating a barrier in the exercise of a RIGHT.
    Voting is not a unrestricted right.Notice it does not say shall not infring.


    The only reason to require photo idea is voter suppression. Moreover, intelligent people realize that the vote that people are trying to suppress tends to vote for a particular party.
    The only people whose votes would be suppressed are those who are not supposed to be voting in the first place and those too lazy to get a ID or driver's license.

    Its time to stop the intellectual dishonesty and just call this what it is: a Republican tactic to suppress Democratic votes.
    The only intellectual dishonesty is from those claiming that democrats are either too poor or too damn stupid to get a ID or driver's license.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    The counter proposals would undermine the results we would like to achieve. School ID’s are not a good method of improving the process.

    Each school ID is unique, making it pretty much impossible for those in charge of monitoring the process to know if the ID is legitimate or a forgery. It also would make it easy for students to vote in two states, or even two districts in the same state.
    People forge documents of all varieties all the time. Correct me if I'm wrong...but the purpose of a photo ID is to make sure you are you....not replace any documentation required to register to vote.

    I guess the question is....how many people are you willing to make it more difficult or more costly to vote to stop a handful of cases of voting fraud? If from the numbers I've seen millions now have to get some form of allowed voter ID as an expense to vote to stop less than a hundred voter fraud cases worth it?
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I don't know how it works in South Carolina, but in Texas, if you don't have a driver's license, you have to pay to get a state issued ID. If it is the same in South Carolina, and that ID is required in order to vote, then this amounts to a poll tax, and would be unconstitutional.
    I think the law is only defensible if the state will issue an ID card free of charge. Most states that require photo ID's do so to avoid any constitutional issues.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Voting is not a unrestricted right.Notice it does not say shall not infring.



    The only people whose votes would be suppressed are those who are not supposed to be voting in the first place and those too lazy to get a ID or driver's license.



    The only intellectual dishonesty is from those claiming that democrats are either too poor or too damn stupid to get a ID or driver's license.
    The right to vote is unconditional for those who meet the qualifications for voting. What states cannot do is impose 'unreasonable' qualifications on voting - such as the old poll tax or the grandfather clause or any of those other cute tricks used by southern states to disenfranchise blacks for a hundred years. The question then becomes whether or not the photo ID is one of those cute tricks. For example, how many locations are available where someone can obtain a photo ID if they don't drive? What does such an ID cost?

    NOt Having enough money to purchase a photo ID would not sustain a constitutional challenge if that resulted in the disenfrachisement of voters.
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