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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How do your first photo ID? Or a SS card? Ever hear of a birth certificate?

    Again: anyone that doesn't have a photo ID, isn't registered to vote, anyway.
    You need to stop applying the 'let's stop black people from registrering to vote' laws of Louisiana to the rest of the country.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You have to have a photo ID to register to vote. What's the big brew-ha-ha to have to show a photo ID to actually vote?
    Not in Minnesota you don't. Show up with your gas bill at your current address and you can vote.

    I don't car if they do ask for a photo ID. Really, it's fine with me, go ahead and require it. It just doesn't solve the problem, which is such a small problem to begin with. So you're adding government regulations that don't solve something that's not really a problem. I thought you guys were against unnecessary government regulation, but I guess not...


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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Not in Minnesota you don't. Show up with your gas bill at your current address and you can vote.

    I don't car if they do ask for a photo ID. Really, it's fine with me, go ahead and require it. It just doesn't solve the problem, which is such a small problem to begin with. So you're adding government regulations that don't solve something that's not really a problem. I thought you guys were against unnecessary government regulation, but I guess not...

    same for wi....same day registration.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    If only a driver's l;icense will do, then this law is in trouble. However, most states that have enacted voter photo ID requirements also make it easy for anybody to get a photo ID free of charge. If SC didn't do this, then they have a problem.

    What alternate method does South Carolina provide for those people who don't drive?
    I don't know how it works in South Carolina, but in Texas, if you don't have a driver's license, you have to pay to get a state issued ID. If it is the same in South Carolina, and that ID is required in order to vote, then this amounts to a poll tax, and would be unconstitutional.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I don't know how it works in South Carolina, but in Texas, if you don't have a driver's license, you have to pay to get a state issued ID. If it is the same in South Carolina, and that ID is required in order to vote, then this amounts to a poll tax, and would be unconstitutional.
    Easy enough to solve.

    We want to ensure a fair election. This means only those eligible can vote, and they can do so only once.

    One of the legitimate functions of government is to ensure a fair election process, so I see no problem with a limited government function of providing ID’s at the states expense (knowing that the people are paying for it anyway)

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Easy enough to solve.

    We want to ensure a fair election. This means only those eligible can vote, and they can do so only once.

    One of the legitimate functions of government is to ensure a fair election process, so I see no problem with a limited government function of providing ID’s at the states expense (knowing that the people are paying for it anyway)
    Whoa. What you're saying is we need to expand the size and scope of the Federal Government through an unfunded mandate?????? And you're "A Real Conservative?"


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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Whoa. What you're saying is we need to expand the size and scope of the Federal Government through an unfunded mandate?????? And you're "A Real Conservative?"
    in a thread about a state attempting to enact legislation you introduce a federal government straw man.

    get the weak sauce out of here.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    in a thread about a state attempting to enact legislation you introduce a federal government straw man.

    get the weak sauce out of here.
    So big state government is cool with you. Makes sense.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Getting an ID is not easy at all in some states. Around here they will not issue a state ID card to anyone under andy circumstance. Drivers license yes, ID no. And a DL is required to vote.

    IDs will not stop voter fraud because nearly all of it is done by the election workers themselves. Poll workers can effectively cast as many votes as they want at the end of the day by just seeing which registered voters didn't show up and casting votes in those names signing false signatures for each. Accordingly, the talk about voter ID is off point and will solve nothing.

    Requiring an original voter card that must be stamped when voting would stop multiple vote-casting fraud in most instances. Unless a method is devised to stop poll workers from casting votes for voters who do not appear voter fraud will continue on a mass scale.
    When I have been an election judge of a primary polling places for both political parties (different election seasons), only myself running the election, I could have cast upwards of 500 votes if I had cared to. As for who could vote, I allowed anyone whose name matched the voter registration book. If the person claimed their name missing by error, I had them fill out the necessary form and then vote.

    I did not ask for IDs. Instead, when it was dead I would go outside and ask people "did you vote yet today?" If the person said no I invited the person in. "It'll only take a few minutes" I'd assure, "and it might be an interesting experience."

    Stop polling place fraud by poll workers and 99.9% of voter fraud is eliminated.
    I have never heard of one person having access to voting materials such as being able to manipulate the voter rolls and ballots etc without others around, let alone you running a polling place by yourself. Which country do you live in again?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Anyone who lives in the state can obtain a State I.D. I wish we required them in Illinois. "Hi, what's your name? Address? Here's your ballot."..........
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    To vote in Illinois: Step up to the first table in the room and hear, "Hi! Your name?" Give them your name, they look it up on their roster and hand you a ballot.....
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Since when does one need links to prove common sense?

    If I can walk into my polling place, announce my name and get a ballot without proving I am who I say I am........(BTW, that's exactly how one votes in Illinois.)
    Did you forget that a signature is required to obtain a ballot and that the signature you provided is compared to the signature on the voter rolls/records?

    It's not as if people in Illinois can merely walk in and say hi am am Moe Howard and then they get to vote, if there is no copy of the voters signature on record then(besides being registered in the precinct)they must prove who they are with documentation and then provide a signature which will be saved for future elections. You are correct in stating that just about anyone can cast a ballot in Illinois, however that ballot may wind up going directly into the trash(the reason questionable voters are required to use the electronic voting machines to cast a provisional ballot). I have worked as a election judge and find it sort of sad that people think there are shenanigans going on behind the scenes as if there was a conspiracy to allow people that don't qualify to vote cast a good clean ballot, there is a reason election judges are made up of bipartisan groups of ordinary people and not a room full of just democrats or republicans.

    Check out one of the Cook County judges of elections handbook if you would like to find information on the subject for Illinois:
    http://www.cookcountyclerk.com/elect...J%20Manual.pdf

    If there was fraud the first thing that comes to mind is someone trying to cast a ballot in another persons name such as someone that is deceased.

    I do know one thing, when a legitimate shows up and is turned away from the polls for whatever reason it is a sad event indeed. I usually feel a sense of overall participation and even might feel honored etc when going to vote and the one true way to make a person feel really crappy IMO is to have someone say sorry you aren't allowed participate.

    I have 1 form of picture ID and if I should get stopped for speeding on the way to vote and the officer impounds my(picture ID)license and issues me a citation then my chances of casting a ballot(if ID where required)just became zero.

    My isn't usually worth much, but I am willing to give it up anyway.

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    Have you forgotten my post about the signature requirement (which you happened to like) way back when?
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    I was coming into this thread hoping that there was something about the election manipulation going on right now. Maybe you don't know, but Fox News has been on the air quite a few times now saying that the South Carolina is a closed primary, but this is the exact opposite of the truth.

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