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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are claiming fraud isn't happening.
    I would welcome looking at the figures you may want to present on voter fraud convictions.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage, replying to Karl View Post
    You are claiming fraud isn't happening.
    Please -- don't make stuff up and offer it as an argument. It just wastes everyone's time, and makes the thread look dumb.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I honestly don't see the big hoopla over having to show an ID. You have to show an ID to get alcohol, buy cigarettes, pick up certain medications prescribed to you, apply for a passport to legally leave and reenter the country, and numerous other things. This isn't a violation of voter rights and is a good thing.
    first, your list of items that require photo ID's are for the exercise of privileges; voting is a right. The issue is about creating a barrier in the exercise of a RIGHT.

    The only reason to require photo idea is voter suppression. Moreover, intelligent people realize that the vote that people are trying to suppress tends to vote for a particular party. Its time to stop the intellectual dishonesty and just call this what it is: a Republican tactic to suppress Democratic votes.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are claiming fraud isn't happening.
    I don't think anyone's saying that fraud isn't happening. Everytime it's looked into, it's only in a small percentage of votes cast. Usually under 1%. So what you've got is a solution in search of a problem.

    If you look at the ID provision, I don't have a problem with it. However, it's not going to stop fraud. It's simply going to mean that you'll need a fake ID to do it. Fake IDs aren't that hard to come by, High School kids do it all the time.

    So what you've got with the ID requirement is a non-solution to a non-problem. Why do we need that?


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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Unless they call up every registered voter whose signature appears on the sign in sheet and ask how they voted and how and compared it to the ballots they are not going to be able to prove fraud?
    So what you are saying is that you trust nobody and therefore no election results are valid, because unless you personally interrogate every single voter, they all could be forgeries. However, not even your solution would work, since there is no way to tie a signature to a ballot. The ballot is secret - at least it is in my state.

    This is a silly discussion. The issue ought to be proving that fraud takes place, not proving that it doesn't. In this state, those alleging fraud were given five months, hundreds of attorneys, and a court room to prove it. They failed.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would welcome looking at the figures you may want to present on voter fraud convictions.
    This should be interesting. When these sorts of challenges are issued, they always fail - and the excuse is, 'well, you can't really prove fraud but I know it's happening.'

    The national figures for convictions for voter fraud are microscopic.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I don't think anyone's saying that fraud isn't happening. Everytime it's looked into, it's only in a small percentage of votes cast. Usually under 1%. So what you've got is a solution in search of a problem.

    If you look at the ID provision, I don't have a problem with it. However, it's not going to stop fraud. It's simply going to mean that you'll need a fake ID to do it. Fake IDs aren't that hard to come by, High School kids do it all the time.

    So what you've got with the ID requirement is a non-solution to a non-problem. Why do we need that?
    It's a fraction of 1%.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    your link only said that no "organized attempts" at fraud have been found. They have certainly found cases of fraud.

    They sure have,in Wisconsin they found seven."This amounts to a rate of 0.0025% within Milwaukee and 0.0002% within the state as a whole. None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls. "

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Looks to me like someone is attempting to suppress those that cant/don't drive, or don't have a photo ID from voting. Wonder why?


    Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:26pm EST

    (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, appearing at a Martin Luther King holiday rally in South Carolina, warned on Monday that voting rights laws are still at risk and said aggressive enforcement of those laws is "a moral imperative."


    <"The reality is that - in jurisdictions across the country - both overt and subtle forms of discrimination remain all too common," Holder, who is black, told hundreds of people attending an annual rally to honor King, the slain civil rights leader, on the steps of the South Carolina state capitol.>





    <The South Carolina law required voters to show a state-issued photo identification card to cast a ballot in an election. Republican supporters said it would prevent voter fraud, but Democratic critics argued it would make it harder for those without driver's licenses, many of them poor and black, to cast a ballot.>


    <The Justice Department blocked the law after ruling it could hinder the right to vote of tens of thousands of people. It noted that just more than a third of the state's minorities who are registered voters did not have a driver's license. The state plans to fight the ruling in court.>


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    I'm not worried about voter fraud at all. From what I've read it is negligible.

    But let's say out of 200,000 votes, you have 10 fraudulent votes. That's a problem, right? I guess.

    Now. Lets say out of 200,000 votes, because of photo ID requirements 1,000 people don't vote. You will still have most of the 10 fraudulent votes, maybe all of them. But, for whatever reason, 1,000 people who can currently legally vote, do not vote. What has been accomplished?
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    I'm not worried about voter fraud at all. From what I've read it is negligible.

    But let's say out of 200,000 votes, you have 10 fraudulent votes. That's a problem, right? I guess.

    Now. Lets say out of 200,000 votes, because of photo ID requirements 1,000 people don't vote. You will still have most of the 10 fraudulent votes, maybe all of them. But, for whatever reason, 1,000 people who can currently legally vote, do not vote. What has been accomplished?
    A couple thousand votes can change an election. Consider that mittens won the Iowa caucuses with an eight vote margin but itís still a W. Itís a shame when one of the two political parties in this country cant win on ideas. So sad.
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