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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Unless they call up every registered voter whose signature appears on the sign in sheet and ask how they voted and how and compared it to the ballots they are not going to be able to prove fraud?
    The way it works is that in order to prove something, you need to have proof.

    I know that will come as a shock to some....

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

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    The way it works is that in order to prove something, you need to have proof.

    I know that will come as a shock to some....
    SO how can you prove that fraud is NOT happening?
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.

    The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
    a college Id could allow a student to vote twice, and just adds to voter fraud.

    giving people the means to vote twice is basically the same as taking my vote away

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    In 2004, we had a very very close Governor's election that wound up in court. Both sides hired teams of lawyers to pour over voting records, which took about 5 months. The end result of all of this, when it wound up in court, was that although administrative errors were committed that called a couple of hundred votes into question, they found no instances of voter fraud out of about 2.5 million votes cast. And believe me, they looked.

    Well, they did find a couple of instances where someone had died and their elderly spouse voted their absentee ballot because they 'knew' what the deceased person would have done, but I'm guessing the Republic can survive that.
    The frustrating thing about these voter ID laws is the false claim that it will prevent fraud.

    In Indiana (my home state), those who supported the voter ID law keep pointing to a study that said some of the petition signatures to get Obama and Clinton on the Democratic Primary ballot may have been forged.

    Well, guess what? One: it's a primary not a general election. Two: Voter ID wouldn't address this issue at all.

    It's a true bait & switch.

    There were ineligible signatures on a petition! So, we have to have Voter IDs at the polls!

    Present a problem; then say that you have a solution that isn't a solution at all.

    Here's a perfect example of it: Voter fraud is real

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    I have been voting in elections for forty years. I have never been asked to show any photo ID. The person on the other side of the table at my voting precinct does their due diligence by matching the signature I produced in front of them with my signature on my voters application which is kept in a book on site.

    There never has been any reason for a photo ID.

    And none has ever been offered here to warrant such a change.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think the only reason for it is to suppress the black vote. South Carolina always amazes me. It has a very high percentage of black citizens and votes Republican. That is perplexing to me. Perhaps not to you.
    Actually it is to suppress the Democratic vote. If you'll look at the people targeted by the ID laws... elderly, minority, students. All traditionally Democrats.

    And without checking, I'd wager that these state laws are coming from ALEC.

    The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a politically conservative 501(c) (3) non-profit Policy Organization, consisting of both state legislators and members of the private sector. ALEC's mission statement describes the organization's purpose as the advancement of free-market principles, limited government, federalism, and individual liberty. Among other activities, the group provides a venue for private individuals and corporations to assist politicians in developing what it considers model laws serving the economic and political aims of its members. ALEC also serves as a networking tool among state legislators, allowing them to research the handling and best practices of policy in other states.

    ALEC currently has more than 2,000 legislative members representing all 50 states, as well as more than 85 members of Congress and 14 sitting or former Governors who are considered alumni. ALEC also claims approximately 300 corporate, foundation, and other private-sector members. A list of ALEC leaders in the states includes 73 Republican lawmakers and 7 Democrats. [...] Each year approximately 800 bills based in whole or in part on ALEC model legislation are introduced in the states. Annually, about 20% of these introduced bills become law.[5]

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    a college Id could allow a student to vote twice, and just adds to voter fraud.

    giving people the means to vote twice is basically the same as taking my vote away
    That would only be if he chose to vote in his home town AND in his college town. Whether the polls use his college ID or his driver's license has nothing to do with the ability to vote twice. He would have to actively register twice and vote in two different polls to pull off that crime.

    Not using a college ID is making a student either get a local driver's license (which would mean he's officially moved out of his parent's home -and that has tax implications) or vote at home. There is no reason a student shouldn't be able to vote in his college town with a valid student ID.

    Not sure where you guys went to college, but it was much easier to fake a state ID than it was to fake a student ID.

    And you're being paranoid. Again, there is NO proof that this is a problem.

    In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud - New York Times

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    SO how can you prove that fraud is NOT happening?
    When multiple studies have been done in many places and none of them find rampant voter fraud, it suggests to a reasonable person that there isn't a problem there. Especially when the studies are being done by people who are actively seeking to find the problem (like the Bush DoJ tried to do).

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have been voting in elections for forty years. I have never been asked to show any photo ID. The person on the other side of the table at my voting precinct does their due diligence by matching the signature I produced in front of them with my signature on my voters application which is kept in a book on site.

    There never has been any reason for a photo ID.

    And none has ever been offered here to warrant such a change.
    how quaint. I here similar stories every day at work about why a business doesn't need to improve their technologies. They have used a little note book for years, and it works fine.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Anyone who lives in the state can obtain a State I.D. [...]
    96-year-old Chattanooga woman denied voter ID - WSMV Channel 4 [because the name on her birth certificate did not match her married name and she did not have her marriage certificate.]

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