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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think the only reason for it is to suppress the black vote. South Carolina always amazes me. It has a very high percentage of black citizens and votes Republican. That is perplexing to me. Perhaps not to you.
    South Carolina is in the south, where most citizens tend to vote Republican (Georgia, TN, and other southern states lean Republican but also have a high African American population). Likewise, some northern states tend to go Democrat that do not have a very large African American population.

    Why would requiring an ID suppress the black vote? Do they not drive or at least have a state ID?
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Looks to me like someone is attempting to suppress those that cant/don't drive, or don't have a photo ID from voting. Wonder why?


    Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:26pm EST

    (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, appearing at a Martin Luther King holiday rally in South Carolina, warned on Monday that voting rights laws are still at risk and said aggressive enforcement of those laws is "a moral imperative."


    <"The reality is that - in jurisdictions across the country - both overt and subtle forms of discrimination remain all too common," Holder, who is black, told hundreds of people attending an annual rally to honor King, the slain civil rights leader, on the steps of the South Carolina state capitol.>





    <The South Carolina law required voters to show a state-issued photo identification card to cast a ballot in an election. Republican supporters said it would prevent voter fraud, but Democratic critics argued it would make it harder for those without driver's licenses, many of them poor and black, to cast a ballot.>


    <The Justice Department blocked the law after ruling it could hinder the right to vote of tens of thousands of people. It noted that just more than a third of the state's minorities who are registered voters did not have a driver's license. The state plans to fight the ruling in court.>


    In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk | Reuters
    The South Carolina Law didn't mandate that only drivers licenses were valid. That is misinformation being spread by the opponents of the law. A state issued ID is available for everybody who wants one.

    And Eric Holder is a complete idiot.
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Most of the people who don't have IDs are old enough that if they do smoke or drink, they're probably not carded (most state laws don't require someone who rightly appears to be well over age) and
    My grandfather is 79 years old and he has a driver's license.
    most of the others aren't rich enough to worry about traveling overseas.
    You don't have to be rich to get a ID or driver's license.In South Carolina a 10 year driver's license cost 25 dollars and a 5 year driver's license costs 12.50,something anyone can affforn especially if they are on SS or some other tax payer funded service.
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    The part of the law that makes it really disgusting is that they won't recognize student IDs from public universities (even though they are state agencies)...

    What are the standards for getting a University ID? Can anyone including those on a VISA get a university ID?Do you have to submit a SS card and state issued birth certificate?Do they allow illegals to attend the universities and do they get IDs?


    this is a CLEAR attempt to restrict college students from voting in their college campus towns.
    Why would a university student not have a state ID or driver's license? They are old enough to be carded when they buy smokes and booze. When you file the paper work to enroll you do need to submit various forms of ID,After all those universities are going to want their money
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I honestly don't see the big hoopla over having to show an ID. You have to show an ID to get alcohol, buy cigarettes, pick up certain medications prescribed to you, apply for a passport to legally leave and reenter the country, and numerous other things. This isn't a violation of voter rights and is a good thing.
    IF you can't get a fake ID. Which, of course, you can.

    It doesn't end voter fraud, it simply changes how to go about committing the crime


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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think the only reason for it is to suppress the black vote. South Carolina always amazes me. It has a very high percentage of black citizens and votes Republican. That is perplexing to me. Perhaps not to you.
    Blacks can't afford a driver's license or go down to the DMV to get a free ID? You must think very lowly of black people if you think they are incapable of producing 25 bucks for a ten year driver's license or too stupid to go to the DMV to get a free ID.

    SC Department of Motor Vehicles
    Still Need a South Carolina Identification Card?
    If you missed South Carolina Identification Card Day, you can still get an Identification Card at any SCDMV office. Identification cards are free to citizens who are 17 years of age or older. Click here to learn more about the requirements.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    According to the 2010 census South Carolina has a population of 4,645,975, Wisconsin has a populatin of 5,698,230.I don’t know if there has been a survey done on voter frauds in South Carolina but one was done in Wisconsin. They found “7 substantiated cases of individuals knowingly casting invalid votes that counted “. Hardly looks like a major case of voter fraud to me.Ssoo…if its now broke why the fix?Unless….
    In 2004, we had a very very close Governor's election that wound up in court. Both sides hired teams of lawyers to pour over voting records, which took about 5 months. The end result of all of this, when it wound up in court, was that although administrative errors were committed that called a couple of hundred votes into question, they found no instances of voter fraud out of about 2.5 million votes cast. And believe me, they looked.

    Well, they did find a couple of instances where someone had died and their elderly spouse voted their absentee ballot because they 'knew' what the deceased person would have done, but I'm guessing the Republic can survive that.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Blacks can't afford a driver's license or go down to the DMV to get a free ID? You must think very lowly of black people if you think they are incapable of producing 25 bucks for a ten year driver's license or too stupid to go to the DMV to get a free ID.

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    If you missed South Carolina Identification Card Day, you can still get an Identification Card at any SCDMV office. Identification cards are free to citizens who are 17 years of age or older. Click here to learn more about the requirements.
    I'm guessing the 'free ID card' provision would probably remove any Constititutional objections. Of course if voters attempting to obtain those cards were threatened or intimidated in any way, that's a different story.

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    In 2004, we had a very very close Governor's election that wound up in court. Both sides hired teams of lawyers to pour over voting records, which took about 5 months. The end result of all of this, when it wound up in court, was that although administrative errors were committed that called a couple of hundred votes into question, they found no instances of voter fraud out of about 2.5 million votes cast. And believe me, they looked.

    Well, they did find a couple of instances where someone had died and their elderly spouse voted their absentee ballot because they 'knew' what the deceased person would have done, but I'm guessing the Republic can survive that.
    Unless they call up every registered voter whose signature appears on the sign in sheet and ask how they voted and how and compared it to the ballots they are not going to be able to prove fraud?
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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I'm guessing the 'free ID card' provision would probably remove any Constititutional objections. Of course if voters attempting to obtain those cards were threatened or intimidated in any way, that's a different story.
    If doesn't matter if the ID cards are free or not. It would not violate the constitution to require that you show ID to vote. IDs are not a poll tax.

    14th Amendment (1868): Regarding apportionment of Representatives.

    15th Amendment (1870): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

    19th Amendment (1920): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

    23rd Amendment (1961): provides that residents of the District of Columbia can vote for the President and Vice-President.

    24th Amendment (1964): "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

    26th Amendment (1971): "The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age."
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: In South Carolina, attorney general says voting rights at risk

    OMIGOSH...another member of the Obama admin tossed out the discrimination card? Thats ****ing SHOCKING!!! OMG...ID? However will they cash a check, buy cigarettes, alcohol, get medical care, etc etc etc...oh...wait...its not that big a deal after all...is it. FM...
    Last edited by VanceMack; 01-16-12 at 06:15 PM.

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