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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    Doesn't their basic training include any instruction on how a marine is expected to behave towards the bodies of dead enemy combatants? Seems like the failure lies a little further up the chain of command.
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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    [FONT=Arial, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif]Read full article @: [/FONT]Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses[FONT=Arial, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif]My find a rarity in my case but i agree with McCain here. Seems like Perry is just pulling the "look at me i disagree with Obama here, so like me!" card.

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    I agree with what both of them have said.

    It was bad judgement - check.
    It was a stupid idea - check.
    It makes marines look bad - check.
    It makes us look bad - check.
    It might make others less likely to want to cooperate with us - check.
    Our government at times seems to care more about how we treat the enemy dead than how our dead and captured are treated - check.
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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    When this story first came out I was shocked and appalled as anyone else. I tried to understand what state of mind the Marine's could possibly be in to commit such an attrocity.

    Then I let it sink in for a while. I read a zillion opinions on it here at Debate Politics.

    I calmed down a bit. I thought about, how bad should I feel that a military representative from my country, was video taped showing the most utter disrespect for our enemy, most likey the taliban or a taliban supporter/sympathizer, by urinating on their dead, stinking, rotting corpses?

    My thoughts on this topic tend to change from day to day.

    I am at a "piss on 'em" kinda place right now.

    It's been an interesting ride so far.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I think those soldiers should face charges, and be busted down to private. They can attempt to repair their own careers at that point. What they did reflects badly on the other 99.9% of soldiers who are honorable.
    Without knowing what their service records, you're ready to illegally bust some of them down to private?

    These men have done something that most of the handwringers never have: risked their lives in the service of their country. They've earned a little slack.

    And no, Obama isn't risking his life. He's surrounded by multiple layers of security that is inpenetrable.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Doesn't their basic training include any instruction on how a marine is expected to behave towards the bodies of dead enemy combatants? Seems like the failure lies a little further up the chain of command.
    In a word...no.

    I spent 12 years in the Army, as an infantryman--one of the very soldiers that needed to know those kinds of regulations the most--and I was in the service for about 8 years before I was ever exposed to anything that might remotely come close to suggesting that pissing on a dead enemy might even sorta be a violation of any rule, regulation, or order.

    Now, was I educated on how to treat a live enemy? i.e. a POW? Hell yes! But, dead enemies? No, not really too much at all.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    I just think it's emensely ironic how the treatment of a dead body means so much.

    After they were given training, permission and support to kill him in the first place.

    "It's ok to kill him - but you better on touch him after he's dead" . . . lol - oh please.
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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I just think it's emensely ironic how the treatment of a dead body means so much.

    After they were given training, permission and support to kill him in the first place.

    "It's ok to kill him - but you better on touch him after he's dead" . . . lol - oh please.

    A lot of the general public "support" the troops they like the romantic idea that these guys are out there fighting for freedom and defending the flag. They buy the bumper stickers and buy a Vet a beer at the bar etc, they are fine with it all because they normally only see the "good side" of war but as soon as it gets a little dirty they are they first to start crying and calling for justice. If they want these guys to kill for them then they have to expect a little collateral damage

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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Whatever. It's Perry. He's said plenty of things stupider than this.

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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I think those soldiers should face charges, and be busted down to private. They can attempt to repair their own careers at that point.
    Yes, I believe that would be adequate. I'm just saying that anything more than restricted privileges, punishment details, and demotion would be unwarranted.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    These men have done something that most of the handwringers never have: risked their lives in the service of their country. They've earned a little slack.
    I'm sorry, but what about the thousands of men who have also risked-- and in some cases, given-- their lives in service to our country, and still managed to uphold the honor of the uniform and the values of our people? I would think that anyone who has served this country with honor, especially in dangerous and stressful situations like these Marines have, would be insulted if we cut these Marines too much slack because we "understand" what they did. To me, that says that we don't expect better of our servicemen than this, which is almost as insulting to our military personnel as the filth that comes out of the war protesters' mouths.

    All of the veterans I know in real life are disgusted by this. The only people I've met who don't have a problem with it have been civilians and people on the internet whose claims of military service I can only take at face value.

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    Re: Rick Perry Defends Marines Who Urinated On Corpses

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Yes, I believe that would be adequate. I'm just saying that anything more than restricted privileges, punishment details, and demotion would be unwarranted.



    I'm sorry, but what about the thousands of men who have also risked-- and in some cases, given-- their lives in service to our country, and still managed to uphold the honor of the uniform and the values of our people? I would think that anyone who has served this country with honor, especially in dangerous and stressful situations like these Marines have, would be insulted if we cut these Marines too much slack because we "understand" what they did. To me, that says that we don't expect better of our servicemen than this, which is almost as insulting to our military personnel as the filth that comes out of the war protesters' mouths.

    All of the veterans I know in real life are disgusted by this. The only people I've met who don't have a problem with it have been civilians and people on the internet whose claims of military service I can only take at face value.
    you can still be disgusted by it but still not want them to be hung out to dry

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