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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    Quote Originally Posted by melg89 View Post
    I just don't think it needs to go beyond that.
    I still think you guys are picturing it as something very different than it is. Like some sort of program where all kids are required by law to wear these monitors all the time and parents have to come in and explain themselves during conferences or something. lol. It isn't that. It's like they do a lesson in health class about what calories are and how you burn different amounts when you do different things, and then they give the kids these bracelets for a night so they can see how their own heart beats faster when they're running around then when they're reading, and faster when they're reading then when they're watching tv, and so on. I really don't see how that is some kind of big issue...

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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Let me get this straight, it's voluntary?


    "A program like this should only be voluntary. Nobody should be forced to reveal biological indicators," he said.
    It doesn't matter if its voluntary or not. Its still the government or some other body in society actively spying on people.

    And who is even making this decision? The parents or the child? I would assume the parents, and in all honestly, I don't see how they have the right to make the decision or to the information either.
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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Let me get this straight, it's voluntary?


    "A program like this should only be voluntary. Nobody should be forced to reveal biological indicators," he said.



    Read more: Schools to monitor obesity in students - UPI.com

    And it allows kids to know, and not for the schools to anything?

    Sounds like a study to use technology as a tool for improvement. Someone articluate for me what the complaint is. I have to understand that before I form an opinion.
    To me it sounds like a dangerous baby step. Today its voluntary and tomorrow its mandatory. Because we all know how the government deeply cares about the constitutionality of something before making it a law.
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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    To me it sounds like a dangerous baby step. Today its voluntary and tomorrow its mandatory. Because we all know how the government deeply cares about the constitutionality of something before making it a law.
    It doesn't sound like anything to me other than a new toy for the athletic people to play with and maybe give some new information to their students. Not only do I not see a larger step that would or should scare anyone, I can't even find where you've articulated one.

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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It doesn't matter if its voluntary or not. Its still the government or some other body in society actively spying on people.

    And who is even making this decision? The parents or the child? I would assume the parents, and in all honestly, I don't see how they have the right to make the decision or to the information either.
    It's not spying. Don't be silly. We do this type of thing all the time and have since I was a kid, if not before. Go home and record the groceries you buy, how much is wasted, how do you spend your time, to see if you have more wasted time than you think, for example, not to mention carrying the egg, or wearing the preganacy outfit. None of this is really new, and it isn't spying. It's having a student look at his or her life and choices, for self reflection.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not spying. Don't be silly. We do this type of thing all the time and have since I was a kid, if not before. Go home and record the groceries you buy, how much is wasted, how do you spend your time, to see if you have more wasted time than you think, for example, not to mention carrying the egg, or wearing the preganacy outfit. None of this is really new, and it isn't spying. It's having a student look at his or her life and choices, for self reflection.
    It is spying. The information other people have access to that is very personal private information that they can not gain any other way than to watch you.
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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It is spying. The information other people have access to that is very personal private information that they can not gain any other way than to watch you.
    No. That's merely silly. We've done, as I've noted, this stuff since before you and I were born. We share a lot about ourselves in learnign environments.

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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    The obsession with how active kids are does not make sense. A lot of modern obesity is caused by industrial food and the hormones contained within it, and not just lack of exercise. Maybe we should stop feeding kids crap that is loaded with chemicals whose names you can't even pronounce, as well as wrapping food in layer upon layer of plastic that gets cooked in the microwave?

    If someone's hormone system is messed up, all the exercise in the world won't help them.

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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The obsession with how active kids are does not make sense. A lot of modern obesity is caused by industrial food and the hormones contained within it, and not just lack of exercise. Maybe we should stop feeding kids crap that is loaded with chemicals whose names you can't even pronounce, as well as wrapping food in layer upon layer of plastic that gets cooked in the microwave?

    If someone's hormone system is messed up, all the exercise in the world won't help them.
    It is not a bad idea to be concerned with activity. But regardless, as long as we have PE classes and atheltic departments there will be a focus from them on activity. It's waht they do. And they,like everyone else, are looking at technology and what more they can learn.

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    Re: Schools to monitor obesity in students

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Sounds good to me. Childhood obesity is becoming a real problem. Part of the role of schools has always been physical education. There is no reason that element can only take place in the gymnasium. Besides, lots of schools have been forced to cut gym class altogether due to budget cuts. Something like this would probably at least give some fallback for that. Kids are at school like half of their waking hours during the school year. If they aren't being active enough, the schools share half the blame for that, so I'm glad to see some of them are stepping up and doing their part to address the problem.
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    Obviously they aren't smart enough to do what's "best for themselves" so the State needs to step in and help them, for their own good of course.

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