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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Did you read your own Wikipedia article? According to it, 9 of the 10 dismissed had (R)s by their names. Try again.
    Did you read the whole article? Because if you did you'd know that most of them were fired because they either refused to pursue weak cases of alleged Democratic voter fraud, because they were investigating Republicans, or because they weren't perceived as being sufficiently loyal to George Bush.

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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    but but but...dont bring up stupid **** when it was your own guys fault...
    You guys need to quit fixating on Clinton. Really. It's unhealthy. It's like us bringing up Warren G. Harding every time somebody on the left gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar.

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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    Quote Originally Posted by WhyteRash View Post
    i gave no implication of the the letter beside their name.
    YOur post makes no sense. YOu are comparing a President firing APPOINTED Republican Offiicals with Newt's threat to fire Civil Service employees who are Democrats.

    NOt the worst analogy of the year, but definitely a nominee.

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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The only one getting fired is going to be Newt himself.
    And the nice thing is, he'll be fired by the voters of his own party. They are generally dumber than the average American, but not even they are dumb enough to nominate Gingrich.

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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    YOur post makes no sense. YOu are comparing a President firing APPOINTED Republican Offiicals with Newt's threat to fire Civil Service employees who are Democrats.

    NOt the worst analogy of the year, but definitely a nominee.

    seemed like a textbook case of a president firing those that disagreed with him and getting away with it.. pretty much what gingrich implied he would do.

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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    You do understand the difference between Civil Service employees and political appointees, right? Let me simplify it for you. If you appoint somebody, you can fire them. If they're hired under merit system rules, you can't. It's not that difficult a concept to grasp.

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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    Quote Originally Posted by WhyteRash View Post
    seemed like a textbook case of a president firing those that disagreed with him and getting away with it.. pretty much what gingrich implied he would do.
    no, there is a distinction to be made
    presidents have always been able to fire their political appointees
    however, the career civil service employees, who were hired based on merit, cannot now be fired unless they are found to violate federal regulations or where the government conducts a reduction in force to reduce the number of employees. such proposed terminations must then follow a defined process
    the purpose is to allow the non-appointee government workers to not be subject to political influence as they carry out the work of the public
    it is this insulation from political influence/whims that newt proposes to end
    his proposal would result in worse government. think banana republic
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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    JB thats ok except, if you were to do efficiency studies on what merit employees accomplish in a given day, I bet you could cut the workforce "to the bone" and still have adequate service. Same for administration and management. Id much rather prefer the higher ups get the axe than the rank and file, because lets face it, the heirarchal shape of government bureaucracy is nowhere near as efficient as people would like to believe. The more layers between the top and the bottom the more the system tends to break down. Thats why the red tape has become so insurmountable.

    The prupose of government has become to create more and more government. Thats got to change. Governmental mindset needs to change with it or nothing will be accomplished if you DO cut it.

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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    JB thats ok except, if you were to do efficiency studies on what merit employees accomplish in a given day, I bet you could cut the workforce "to the bone" and still have adequate service. Same for administration and management. Id much rather prefer the higher ups get the axe than the rank and file, because lets face it, the heirarchal shape of government bureaucracy is nowhere near as efficient as people would like to believe. The more layers between the top and the bottom the more the system tends to break down. Thats why the red tape has become so insurmountable.

    The prupose of government has become to create more and more government. Thats got to change. Governmental mindset needs to change with it or nothing will be accomplished if you DO cut it.
    if this thread were about the need for more efficient government, such that we could downsize the number of government workers, we would be in agreement
    however, this topic is about crazy newt proclaiming that federal employees should be fired for no reason other than their politics being a different brand than his own
    no thinking American could agree to that
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    Re: Gingrich Suggests Illegally Firing Federal Employees Over Liberal Views

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Did you read your own Wikipedia article? According to it, 9 of the 10 dismissed had (R)s by their names. Try again.
    As if an R makes you automatically loyal.

    You realize that interparty disputes happen all the time, right? Heck, people in Gingrich's own party tried to overturn him as Speaker of the House.
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