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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

haymarket said:
And you know this how exactly?

And what is idiotic about expecting payback from the other side down the road?
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It's idiotic to think the bad guys would want to kill us any more they already do.
 
apdst said:
It's idiotic to think the bad guys would want to kill us any more they already do.
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What you posted makes no sense compared to what you were asked. No sense at all.

Lets go over this again shall we? My father served in in WW2 fighting the Germans. He said he never heard anything about troops urinating on the dead. You claimed that it happened. So I ask you again - what evidence do you have of this?

I said that such modern bad behavior could endanger US troops down the road because payback could be expected from foreign combatants enraged about US troops doing such things. You claimed that my concerns were IDIOTIC now saying that they already want to kill us. And what about motivating others who had not previously harbored that sort of ill will toward our troops? What about US troops not killed but captured and now its payback time?

Do you have such little concern for our troops in foreign hot spots that you would accept such behavior with less than even a cavalier shrug of your shoulders?
 
haymarket said:
What you posted makes no sense compared to what you were asked. No sense at all.

Lets go over this again shall we? My father served in in WW2 fighting the Germans. He said he never heard anything about troops urinating on the dead. You claimed that it happened. So I ask you again - what evidence do you have of this?

I said that such modern bad behavior could endanger US troops down the road because payback could be expected from foreign combatants enraged about US troops doing such things. You claimed that my concerns were IDIOTIC now saying that they already want to kill us. And what about motivating others who had not previously harbored that sort of ill will toward our troops? What about US troops not killed but captured and now its payback time?

Do you have such little concern for our troops in foreign hot spots that you would accept such behavior with less than even a cavalier shrug of your shoulders?
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I never said anything about urinating. I was referring to acts, such as Marines chopping the heads off of Japanese soldiers, boiling the flesh off the skull and keeping the skull as a trophy.
 
MaggieD said:
I think this picture quite poignantly shows the difference between WWII and all the other "wars" we've fought since:

THIS in contrast to a video someone put up a few weeks ago showing our guys throwing puppies off a cliff.
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That's a load of crap. Service dogs are highly respected, and most soldiers have a soft spot for dogs. One nutbag doing something crazy is no reason to indict all soldiers and the military. Do you claim that all Muslims are terrorists?

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apdst said:
I never said anything about urinating. I was referring to acts, such as Marines chopping the heads off of Japanese soldiers, boiling the flesh off the skull and keeping the skull as a trophy.
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You are now clearly lying.

From YOUR OWN post 1496 in which you led with my statement as follows:

My father served in World War II in eastern europe. He even spent parts of two years in a german prisoner of war camp. The damn Nazi's were not only trying to kill him - they were trying to destroy our very nation. He had more reasons than these current combatants to hate the enemy.

I asked him if he knew of any incidents of American troops urinating upon the enemy dead when he served and se said he never heard of such a thing.
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Your reply to that statement that you saw fit to quote and reproduce

Your dad didn't hear of it, but it happened.
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So now you lie saying that you were not talking about urinating on dead bodies when you clearly and unmistakably were replying about just that very thing.
 
I've never known what to make of this story. I don't see the virtue in this story ever having run in the first place. It is inflammatory for no legitimate purpose IMO.
 
I don't really care if soldiers did this. They'll probably get in trouble for not following marine code, but why is it worth a public article? Who gives a crap, its war, they seem to be asserting their dominance over the Taliban... this war isn't really filled with respect for the other side like in the 1800s.
 
Atrocities happen in EVERY war, and there will always be a few soldiers who go off the deep end and do things they shouldn't. I don't even know why this is an argument.
 
ChrisL said:
Atrocities happen in EVERY war, and there will always be a few soldiers who go off the deep end and do things they shouldn't. I don't even know why this is an argument.
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Not just war, messed up stuff happens; it doesn't define populations.
 
ecofarm said:
Not just war, messed up stuff happens; it doesn't define populations.
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Very true. There are messed up people everywhere, from mildly screwy to totally friggin nuts.
 
celticwar17 said:
I don't really care if soldiers did this. They'll probably get in trouble for not following marine code, but why is it worth a public article? Who gives a crap, its war, they seem to be asserting their dominance over the Taliban... this war isn't really filled with respect for the other side like in the 1800s.
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There were probably as many--maybe more--of these kinds of acts in the 19th Century.

A good example, would be when the Texas Army shot Mexican soldiers while they were swimming the San Jacinto River. Or, when Santa Anna showed no quarter at the Alamo. Or, the atrocities committed by the British Army during the Rev-War. Or, how the Federal Army's crop burning caused 250,000 Southern civilians to starve to death during the Civil War. Vicksburg, Port Hudson, Petersburg, the list goes on.

Were the United States military to act in the same manner, today, the hand wringers would be off the chain, wanting to persecute anyone wearing the uniform.


That further enhances the idiocy of persecuting these guys for pissing on some dead bodies.
 
apdst said:
There were probably as many--maybe more--of these kinds of acts in the 19th Century.

A good example, would be when the Texas Army shot Mexican soldiers while they were swimming the San Jacinto River. Or, when Santa Anna showed no quarter at the Alamo. Or, the atrocities committed by the British Army during the Rev-War. Or, how the Federal Army's crop burning caused 250,000 Southern civilians to starve to death during the Civil War. Vicksburg, Port Hudson, Petersburg, the list goes on.

Were the United States military to act in the same manner, today, the hand wringers would be off the chain, wanting to persecute anyone wearing the uniform.


That further enhances the idiocy of persecuting these guys for pissing on some dead bodies.
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atrocities committed by the British Army during the Rev-War? What you talking about we always played fair ;)
 
apdst said:
There were probably as many--maybe more--of these kinds of acts in the 19th Century.

A good example, would be when the Texas Army shot Mexican soldiers while they were swimming the San Jacinto River. Or, when Santa Anna showed no quarter at the Alamo. Or, the atrocities committed by the British Army during the Rev-War. Or, how the Federal Army's crop burning caused 250,000 Southern civilians to starve to death during the Civil War. Vicksburg, Port Hudson, Petersburg, the list goes on.

Were the United States military to act in the same manner, today, the hand wringers would be off the chain, wanting to persecute anyone wearing the uniform.


That further enhances the idiocy of persecuting these guys for pissing on some dead bodies.
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Your probably right
 
haymarket said:
What you posted makes no sense compared to what you were asked. No sense at all.

Lets go over this again shall we? My father served in in WW2 fighting the Germans. He said he never heard anything about troops urinating on the dead. You claimed that it happened. So I ask you again - what evidence do you have of this?
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:roll: that's astonishing that he wouldn't tell you that. because let me tell you, I can't wait until my sons are old enough to have the "hey son have i ever told you about this one hilarious thing we did with a couple of blown up bodies?" conversation. :roll:

If one of them enlists and ships out to war, I'll have a frank conversation with him about the kind of stuff he's going to see and how to handle it. But other than that? That's a conversation that you have with your fellow vets, who understand the context.

I've spent some time with the WWII vets; people who think that today's military fights tough have no idea. The entire Pacific War was no holds barred, no quarter given. You want to surrender? Well you better hope there's an officer around who still cares, or else that's just Too Friggin Bad. We massacred POW's in Europe, too, in retaliation for them doing the same. The war as it is actually fought on the ground is always different, more brutal, and more personal from what the commanders describe or what civilians see.

I said that such modern bad behavior could endanger US troops down the road because payback could be expected from foreign combatants enraged about US troops doing such things. You claimed that my concerns were IDIOTIC now saying that they already want to kill us
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and it is. foreign combatants already will torture and murder our detainees on live television. that's why most of us had suicide pacts with close, trusted friends - "Hey man, if you can't get to me, and it looks like they have, you shoot me, and I'll do the same for you." you can't exactly make that worse.
 
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cpwill said:
:roll: that's astonishing that he wouldn't tell you that. because let me tell you, I can't wait until my sons are old enough to have the "hey son have i ever told you about this one hilarious thing we did with a couple of blown up bodies?" conversation. :roll:
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Your reply completely ignores what I stated. Par for the course with you. Its silly for anybody to make a post here because if you see them as the enemy you will come along, misinterpret what was stated, build your own strawman, and then do battle with him. Its sad and dishonest in the extreme.
 
haymarket said:
Your reply completely ignores what I stated. Par for the course with you. Its silly for anybody to make a post here because if you see them as the enemy you will come along, misinterpret what was stated, build your own strawman, and then do battle with him. Its sad and dishonest in the extreme.
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That seems to be what most of this forum is about.
 
Would not pissing on them have made them any less dead? Does letting the world know that Marines pissed on dead bodies save lives? It is just a story intended to make Marines look bad. That is it. Nothing else.
 
haymarket said:
Your reply completely ignores what I stated. Par for the course with you. Its silly for anybody to make a post here because if you see them as the enemy you will come along, misinterpret what was stated, build your own strawman, and then do battle with him. Its sad and dishonest in the extreme.
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:lol: there's that projection problem of yours again. :)
 
Higgins86 said:
atrocities committed by the British Army during the Rev-War? What you talking about we always played fair ;)
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It's all good, because the good guys slaughtered their asses. ;)
 
Fisher said:
Would not pissing on them have made them any less dead? Does letting the world know that Marines pissed on dead bodies save lives? It is just a story intended to make Marines look bad. That is it. Nothing else.
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There it is folks...the long and short of the whole mess.

I get sick of hearing this, "they endangered American lives", crap; as it killing them wasn't going to piss someone off. :rofl
 
Frankly, the dead bodies of Taliban members aren't worth the piss :shrug:
 
I think it's all a storm in a cup of piss.... so what, let the Marines piss, who cares about the Taliban!
 
digsbe said:
Frankly, the dead bodies of Taliban members aren't worth the piss :shrug:
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Mya said:
I think it's all a storm in a cup of piss.... so what, let the Marines piss, who cares about the Taliban!
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Agreed.

They want to kill us and out loved ones. Show them no mercy.
 
"The Marine Corps also said there are "other pending cases related to this incident," but said no specifics would be made public now." I wonder what other hell the Marines will put these soldiers through. The Marines should be more forthcoming in neglecting the mental heath and training of these Marines who urinated on the worthless Taliban.


These guys should be given a medal, this is nonsense. "It said another Marine pleaded guilty to wrongfully videotaping the incident and also posing for a photograph, and a third pleaded guilty to failing to report the mistreatment of human casualties and lying about it."
 
TheDemSocialist said:
See more and video @: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan (GRAPHIC VIDEO)Well this certainly will not help our cause. These soldiers need to be brought to justice ASAP. This makes my stomach just numb...

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Dead bodies of people who a few minutes ago were threatening their lives? Seems that we have to train people to get into a mindset to kill others. Things they would do that we are civilians typing on our computers will hopefully never have to see let alone live through.

Then when they do something that would be somewhat unsavory in our comfortable world you want them in jail, I say then go take their place.
 
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