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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

Thats right and officers can ruin their careers by making public statements that are contrary to Marine Corps policy.

I'm sure you heard officers talking about that when you were the DEFAC NCOIC.

I didn't work in the DEFAC or as a cook, but I'm sure you as a NURSE saw a lot of combat soldiers come through. See I can misrepresent your service as well, it accomplishes nothing. Shall we continue?

If pissing on dead bodies is against Marine Corp policy, that is proof that what the soldiers did was wrong. There is no hand wringing because they in fact did the WRONG thing. You seem to be arguing that it is not wrong to do what they did.
 
I can't believe this thread is still going. Okay, I'll solve it for everyone.
1) They were wrong for embarrassing our country.
2) They should be NJP'd
3) Who really cares if a terrorist got urinated on? Doesn't bug me a bit. I only care that they gave us such a black eye. Their being caught makes me more mad than the act does.
4) They should not be court martialed, be discharged, or anything of the sort. They are more than likely already going to lose their GI Bill. Isn't that enough?
5) General's are indeed hypocrites. They will say whatever they need to in order to keep their position and the opportunity to retire and work for a "private contractor" signed by the gov't. That's their entire goal in life after they pin on Colonel. Get General, be nice a few years, retire and "advise" people until they're 70.
 
I didn't work in the DEFAC or as a cook, but I'm sure you as a NURSE saw a lot of combat soldiers come through. See I can misrepresent your service as well, it accomplishes nothing. Shall we continue?


A nurse? Hell, I wish! I sure as hell wouldn't be walking around with drilling mud in the crack of my ass for a living if I was a nurse. :lamo

If pissing on dead bodies is against Marine Corp policy, that is proof that what the soldiers did was wrong. There is no hand wringing because they in fact did the WRONG thing. You seem to be arguing that it is not wrong to do what they did.

Again, I never said they didn't do anything wrong, nor that they don't need to be disciplined; only that it's not a capital crime as some are suggesting.

A dishnorable disacharge would be a tad bit harsh. Don't you think?
 
I am guided by this definition which boiled down includes what I have posted. You cite no authority and your example is less than worthy of examination.

United States Code: Title 18,2331. Definitions | LII / Legal Information Institute

United States Code: Title 22,2656f. Annual country reports on terrorism | LII / Legal Information Institute

Why are you directing this toward me?

Perhaps you should have read that definition before you posited a stupid one. Also of concern was your use of the term "directed" as opposed to "perpetrated". Your choice of "directed" presumes the prior existence of terror that is merely 'directed' towards something. This implies that terrorists are not the source of terrorism but merely direct it at others. It might be subtle, but it's there - and it's disturbing.
 
"Four US marines identified by the military as the soldiers filmed urinating on corpses in Afghanistan are likely to face a court martial after an American military commander said such actions are a "grave breach" of the laws of war."

I'm sorry, but I must laugh one more time about the "American military commander's" choice of words...

He could have chose unfortunate, serious, very serious or even disgusting, but "grave". How lol is that? He knows he's making the joke. It's not like he invented the adjectives on-the-fly. He's supporting the troops, it's so kickass-funny.

Note, I do not support peeing on anyone, including dead people. But it's really not that big of a deal, as noted by the commander. CM might find them off the hook, back in action and doing who knows what in the future. Should we release former pee'rs back into combat? What if they do it again?!11

haha

Ok, I'll leave that alone now. Let's get back to calling it a war crime, that's funny too.
 
Perhaps you should have read that definition before you posited a stupid one. Also of concern was your use of the term "directed" as opposed to "perpetrated". Your choice of "directed" presumes the prior existence of terror that is merely 'directed' towards something. This implies that terrorists are not the source of terrorism but merely direct it at others. It might be subtle, but it's there - and it's disturbing.

What I find disturbing, if not laughable, is your feeble attempt at winning a silly argument.
 
The military does not tolerate such behavior from it's own troops, regardless of the branch, or how much the enemy may deserve it. Even though they are fighting a war, the are PROFESSIONALS. The taking of life should never be funny, even if it is a battle zone, no matter how horrible they were. Loss of life, no matter how large a part of war it is, is never funny.
 
The military does not tolerate such behavior from it's own troops, regardless of the branch, or how much the enemy may deserve it. Even though they are fighting a war, the are PROFESSIONALS. The taking of life should never be funny, even if it is a battle zone, no matter how horrible they were. Loss of life, no matter how large a part of war it is, is never funny.

If that were totally true, the military wouldn't tolerate soldiers writing books about killing people in a war, like Navy sniper Chris Kyle is doing.
 
What I find disturbing, if not laughable, is your feeble attempt at winning a silly argument.

I don't have an argument to win. Lots of people shot down your BS. And you cannot run from the terminology you used...

Terrorism: Terror DIRECTED for politics.

That is a very stupid definition and the use of the word 'directed' instead of perpetrated is telling. It betrays your belief that the terror is not generated by the terrorists.
 
The military does not tolerate such behavior from it's own troops, regardless of the branch, or how much the enemy may deserve it. Even though they are fighting a war, the are PROFESSIONALS. The taking of life should never be funny, even if it is a battle zone, no matter how horrible they were. Loss of life, no matter how large a part of war it is, is never funny.



“There were young knights among them who had never been present at a stricken field. Some could not look upon it and some could not speak, and they held themselves apart from the others who were cutting down the prisoners at My Lord’s orders, for the prisoners were a body too numerous to be guarded by those of us who were left.

“Then Jean de Rye, an aged knight of Burgundy who had been sore wounded in the battle, rode up to the group of young knights and said: ‘Are ye maidens with your downcast eyes? Look well upon it. See all of it. Close your eyes to nothing. For a battle is fought to be won, and it is this that happens if you lose.’”

—from a Medieval Chronicle by Froissart, 14th Century
 
The military does not tolerate such behavior from it's own troops, regardless of the branch, or how much the enemy may deserve it. Even though they are fighting a war, the are PROFESSIONALS. The taking of life should never be funny, even if it is a battle zone, no matter how horrible they were. Loss of life, no matter how large a part of war it is, is never funny.

Well I hope they take a PROFESSIONAL piss on all terrorists, dead or alive. They deserve no better. In fact it should be made government policy and have a group piss-in on all terrorists.
 
We have only the word of a bunch of piss-artists that the dead were the terrorists.
 
Pakistan woman blogger laments drone killings being swept under the rug, as their U.S. puppet leadership there gets caught lying that it was Pakistani jets killing civillians when they were in fact US drones, secret deals between Washington and the puppets/Presidents, killed Benazir Bhutto, the first bombing of Mumbai in India to draw that country into the war on terror and on the the side of the U.S. in order drive a wedge beween the nations and 250,00 innocent Pashtuns running away from the Swat valley where TAPI IS GOING but must be relocated to make room for the pipeline, all the while the stupid 2 year GOP debates mthe 1992 Newt is a villian Dem scares for the herd to listen to distraction, to censor news with 9 dittohead warmonger candidates who all say the same thing, and (see Howard Dean silenced by ten Democrat dittoheads in 2004 and sidelined by “kill the terrorist” CFR man John Kerry)the scream and”Dean was not Presidential” repeated a thousand times, fix the primaries etc. Scapegoat Iran when NeoCon Iraq disaster fails and scapegoat Pakistan when Afghanistan goes bad, same **** different year. Recycle nuke threat from Bush in Iraq to Obama and Iran. Fears of China is the evil with the Hollywood photos staged Dali Lama/ Richard Gere free tibet psyop, and darfur proxy wars w/George Clooney (send your money) sponsored by USAid/Africom to plunder oil, kill somalians for oil, and Angelina photos w/ victorious Libyan murderers on Yahoo.com. (on and on) Yeah, Peace and Justice!
 
How many of the hand wringers want to see Aaron Watada see the same punishment?

He committed a crime, in uniform and was arrested, in uniform. He dishonored his service and disgraced his uniform. Should be be court martialed and dishonorably disharged?

"but...but...but...that's different!", in 3...2...1...go!
 
How many of the hand wringers want to see Aaron Watada see the same punishment?

He committed a crime, in uniform and was arrested, in uniform. He dishonored his service and disgraced his uniform. Should be be court martialed and dishonorably disharged?

"but...but...but...that's different!", in 3...2...1...go!

Who is he?
 
How many of the hand wringers want to see Aaron Watada see the same punishment?

He committed a crime, in uniform and was arrested, in uniform. He dishonored his service and disgraced his uniform. Should be be court martialed and dishonorably disharged?

"but...but...but...that's different!", in 3...2...1...go!

Ok I googled.

I think you hurt your point as he is facing a serious court martial. So if if you want them to have the same consequences they are in deep trouble.
 
Ok I googled.

I think you hurt your point as he is facing a serious court martial. So if if you want them to have the same consequences they are in deep trouble.

No, I didn't hurt my point.

Allow me to ask the question, again...

How many of the hand wringers want to see Aaron Watada see the same punishment?

He committed a crime, in uniform and was arrested, in uniform. He dishonored his service and disgraced his uniform. Should be be court martialed and dishonorably disharged?

Care to tackle the actual question?

Another question:

Does Dan Choi deserve the same punishment as these Marines?
 
No, I didn't hurt my point.

Allow me to ask the question, again...



Care to tackle the actual question?

Another question:

Does Dan Choi deserve the same punishment as these Marines?

What precisely were the crimes Watada and Choi were guilty of? Care to actually name them?
 
What precisely were the crimes Watada and Choi were guilty of? Care to actually name them?

Sure!

Watada: failure to deploy, dereliction of duty and disobeying a lawful order

Choi: Violating DADT, conduct unbecoming an officer and violation of Army uniform regulations.

*For the record, I think that Watad should go to prison for the rest of his life and Choi shouldn't face anything more than NJP, but the question has been tabled to the Libbos that think these Marines need to burn. Let's see how many hypocrites we have on this thread.
 
Sure!

Watada: failure to deploy, dereliction of duty and disobeying a lawful order

Choi: Violating DADT, conduct unbecoming an officer and violation of Army uniform regulations.

*For the record, I think that Watad should go to prison for the rest of his life and Choi shouldn't face anything more than NJP, but the question has been tabled to the Libbos that think these Marines need to burn. Let's see how many hypocrites we have on this thread.

Watad court martial for sure Choi NJP if that. The guys who pissed on the corpses dishonorable discharge.
 
Watad court martial for sure Choi NJP if that. The guys who pissed on the corpses dishonorable discharge.

So, you want these Marines to face a harsher punishment for breaking the same rules? Really?
 
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