U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

Serenity said:

You're a fvcking idiot. You know nothing about her life and how "sweet" it has been and what her family has experienced so shut the fvck up.

As for the thirsting to kill your enemy that has killed your buddies and seeing their dead bodies lying in the sun, i bet you're one of those hypocrites who will defend these soldiers actions and then be the first to whine and moan when you see those on the other side of the conflict mock and laugh and celebrate in the streets when one of our boys is killed.

Both are equally disgusting but you would never see that because you're a hypocrite. You are so much like those you so easily condemn it's shocking.

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Serenity now.

X Factor said:

I didn't even know we were in the basement. LOL

I've never understood when people make the "you're as bad or worse than those you condemn" comments. I'm like, really? Posting an opinion makes someone just as bad as terrorists (or whatever)? I don't see it.

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It's simple for me but then again i'm not a hypocrite.

4 Soldiers publically celebrating their kill by defiling, desecrating and mocking the corpses while videotaping is stupid and revolting. Their enemy dancing around the streets like fvckwits celebrating in the death of one of our boys is revolting.

Certain people will come along and comdemn the actions of one but not the other. To me they are the same. I am not saying i don't understand why they do it but understanding and condoning an action are two different things.

MaggieD said:

Serenity now.

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You know Maggie some days are easier than others to be able to tolerate idiocy and my tolerance level has expired for today.

Serenity said:

It's simple for me but then again i'm not a hypocrite.

4 Soldiers publically celebrating their kill by defiling, desecrating and mocking the corpses while videotaping is stupid and revolting. Their enemy dancing around the streets like fvckwits celebrating in the death of one of our boys is revolting.

Certain people will come along and comdemn the actions of one but not the other. To me they are the same. I am not saying i don't understand why they do it but understanding and condoning an action are two different things.

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If it's hypocritical to support the military members of my nation over the Taliban, then fine, call me a hypocrite.

MaggieD said:

Serenity now.

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LOL, I totally remember that episode of Seinfeld.

Serenity said:

You're a fvcking idiot. You know nothing about her life and how "sweet" it has been and what her family has experienced so shut the fvck up.

As for the thirsting to kill your enemy that has killed your buddies and seeing their dead bodies lying in the sun, i bet you're one of those hypocrites who will defend these soldiers actions and then be the first to whine and moan when you see those on the other side of the conflict mock and laugh and celebrate in the streets when one of our boys is killed.

Both are equally disgusting but you would never see that because you're a hypocrite. You are so much like those you so easily condemn it's shocking.

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What unit did you serve in? You must have served in battle, since you feel like you can be so judgemental.

Hmm. I've out of this thread for a while, but in catching up I'm struck by a single thought: The line between being anti-war and being anti-soldier appear to be blurred.

I'm anti-war. If I'd been in the room with Bush when he announced he was going to invade a country that had no ability to harm us based on a bunch of already debunked BS and over the objections of the entire UN nuclear inspection team who knew there were no nukes in Iraq, I'd be dead or on death row by now. I could not believe my country had betrayed everything I thought it stood for like that.

However, our soldiers have bravely done what they were told to do. Hundreds of thousands of them over more than ten years. In their service to this country, they've been broken, they've seen horrors we cannot imagine, and they push themselves to limits most of us could never endure. They learn to compartmentalize their physical pain, the emotional pain of seeing civilians and fellow soldiers killed and maimed, and they do their jobs.

Most of them are in their late teens and early 20's. Do they make errors in judgment? Oh hell yes. It is war. Black humor gets them over the hump. A few of them go over the edge, and become what they are fighting. Those are court marshaled and punished, as they should be.

But to see a group of young soldiers simply peeing on a corpse and to go bat**** insane over it ... really, people. I mean, really. If being peed on is the most heinous act a person can do to another person, then just about every x-frat boy on the planet has committed the same heinous act... on live people!

It's okay to be against the war, but when we take abhorrance of the war itself and transfer that hatred to the young men and women who are serving their countries by doing their job, then it's gone too far. This is the type of rhetoric that makes otherwise normal people spit on a young man in uniform returning from VietNam. I saw that ugliness decades back, and I will NOT be silent when I see the seeds of that hatred being planted again.

Take a breath, take a break, and think about what some of you are really, really saying in this thread. Please.

SgtRock said:

The Taliban is responsible for some of the most agregious atrocities ever commited. Blowing up schools full of school girls because they don't believe women should be educated. Murdering 8 small boys, gunning them down for laughing as they passed. Beating and torturing the children of Afghanis who cooperate with Americans. Mutilating torturing and beating women for appearing in public without a male relative or for what ever reason them see fit. And our Marines are animals for pissing on the corpses of these evil SOB's. Give me a break. I could go on listing intentional atrocities commited by the Taliban all night.

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A big part of American exceptionalism is the moral high ground that we claim. If we are going to have zero honor and jump into the gutter with our enemy, then what's the point: its just one set of barbarians fighting another set of barbarians.

upsideguy said:

A big part of American exceptionalism is the moral high ground that we claim. If we are going to have zero honor and jump into the gutter with our enemy, then what's the point: its just one set of barbarians fighting another set of barbarians.

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I don't think there's more than a few posters on this thread who doesn't think the soldiers' actions were completely out of line. The argument (at least from me) comes from the adjectives used by many of them: atrocious; deplorable; sickening; et al. To call this breach of conduct atrocious is just beyond the pale, in my opinion.

upsideguy said:

A big part of American exceptionalism is the moral high ground that we claim. If we are going to have zero honor and jump into the gutter with our enemy, then what's the point: its just one set of barbarians fighting another set of barbarians.

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The objective of war is to kill the enemy and destroy his will to resist.

There is no honor, nor glory in war and there damn sure aren't any points for second place.

DiAnna said:

Hmm. I've out of this thread for a while, but in catching up I'm struck by a single thought: The line between being anti-war and being anti-soldier appear to be blurred.

I'm anti-war. If I'd been in the room with Bush when he announced he was going to invade a country that had no ability to harm us based on a bunch of already debunked BS and over the objections of the entire UN nuclear inspection team who knew there were no nukes in Iraq, I'd be dead or on death row by now. I could not believe my country had betrayed everything I thought it stood for like that.

However, our soldiers have bravely done what they were told to do. Hundreds of thousands of them over more than ten years. In their service to this country, they've been broken, they've seen horrors we cannot imagine, and they push themselves to limits most of us could never endure. They learn to compartmentalize their physical pain, the emotional pain of seeing civilians and fellow soldiers killed and maimed, and they do their jobs.

Most of them are in their late teens and early 20's. Do they make errors in judgment? Oh hell yes. It is war. Black humor gets them over the hump. A few of them go over the edge, and become what they are fighting. Those are court marshaled and punished, as they should be.

But to see a group of young soldiers simply peeing on a corpse and to go bat**** insane over it ... really, people. I mean, really. If being peed on is the most heinous act a person can do to another person, then just about every x-frat boy on the planet has committed the same heinous act... on live people!

It's okay to be against the war, but when we take abhorrance of the war itself and transfer that hatred to the young men and women who are serving their countries by doing their job, then it's gone too far. This is the type of rhetoric that makes otherwise normal people spit on a young man in uniform returning from VietNam. I saw that ugliness decades back, and I will NOT be silent when I see the seeds of that hatred being planted again.

Take a breath, take a break, and think about what some of you are really, really saying in this thread. Please.

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Exactly right.

DiAnna said:

Hmm. I've out of this thread for a while, but in catching up I'm struck by a single thought: The line between being anti-war and being anti-soldier appear to be blurred.

I'm anti-war. If I'd been in the room with Bush when he announced he was going to invade a country that had no ability to harm us based on a bunch of already debunked BS and over the objections of the entire UN nuclear inspection team who knew there were no nukes in Iraq, I'd be dead or on death row by now. I could not believe my country had betrayed everything I thought it stood for like that.

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Gee, I remember they were looking for chemical weapons of mass destruction not nuclear ones.

Serenity said:

You're a fvcking idiot. You know nothing about her life and how "sweet" it has been and what her family has experienced so shut the fvck up.

As for the thirsting to kill your enemy that has killed your buddies and seeing their dead bodies lying in the sun, i bet you're one of those hypocrites who will defend these soldiers actions and then be the first to whine and moan when you see those on the other side of the conflict mock and laugh and celebrate in the streets when one of our boys is killed.

Both are equally disgusting but you would never see that because you're a hypocrite. You are so much like those you so easily condemn it's shocking.

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SgtRock said:

The Taliban is responsible for some of the most agregious atrocities ever commited. Blowing up schools full of school girls because they don't believe women should be educated. Murdering 8 small boys, gunning them down for laughing as they passed. Beating and torturing the children of Afghanis who cooperate with Americans. Mutilating torturing and beating women for appearing in public without a male relative or for what ever reason them see fit. And our Marines are animals for pissing on the corpses of these evil SOB's. Give me a break. I could go on listing intentional atrocities commited by the Taliban all night.

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There's zero hard evidence that all Afghans support the extreme misogynistic policies you described. Only a portion of them do, and whether that portion is exclusively what the West calls the "Taliban" is questionable.

Furthermore, there's no way to know if the corpses were among the Afghans who supported the policies you described.

What's silly is anyone making a big deal out of what happens to a corpse. A corpse is just rotting organic material, period. Who cares if someone pees on it ?

bicycleman said:

Then you must think it equally disgusting when Somalians dragged the naked and battered bodies of American soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu.

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Not disgusting. Just another day in war. Yawn.

OneMale said:

Gee, I remember they were looking for chemical weapons of mass destruction not nuclear ones.

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You don't have a very good memory.

bicycleman said:

Then you must think it equally disgusting when Somalians dragged the naked and battered bodies of American soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu.

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Yes, that was tres ****ed up. So was what happened to those contractors in Fallujah.

upsideguy said:

A big part of American exceptionalism is the moral high ground that we claim. If we are going to have zero honor and jump into the gutter with our enemy, then what's the point: its just one set of barbarians fighting another set of barbarians.

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If you think this act of publicly relieving ones self on a dead terrorists body, even comes close to lowering us to their level, you obviously dont know what they have done. It would take a whole lot more than a little pee to get us even close to the nasty, evil, and just plain bad stuff they have done to us and others over the years. This is not intended to justify what happened because i dont think justification is necessary, but you can’t compare our marines with their scumbags over one small (and it is small) thing like this.

apdst said:

What unit did you serve in? You must have served in battle, since you feel like you can be so judgemental.

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So the next time you criticize congress or the president, we can ask you when you served in congress or the president? If you haven't, you can't judge? Yes, your argument is just that stupid.

Redress said:

So the next time you criticize congress or the president, we can ask you when you served in congress or the president? If you haven't, you can't judge? Yes, your argument is just that stupid.

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Yes, as a vet I find some of those arguements a little lame.
We all know it is different over there while all of us including vets sit on our comfy bums and watch it on tv. Life is different in the military even on a military base deep in the middle of the US. Living in a military base you have different rules and laws and customs from your fellow citizens just miles down the road. You almost feel like you are sometimes living in a different world. Even in the civilian town you can pick out other GIs in civilian clothes as there is just something that differentiates them from the citizens.

I think a better question should be, Have you ever fought on your own country's soil. You do a tour or two and then come home. The people in these lands live their whole lives in war it seems. I think there is a difference when you are fighting on your own soil than fighting on foreign soil.

DiAnna said:

But to see a group of young soldiers simply peeing on a corpse and to go bat**** insane over it ... really, people. I mean, really. If being peed on is the most heinous act a person can do to another person, then just about every x-frat boy on the planet has committed the same heinous act... on live people!

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Am I the only one who hasn't seen anyone go "bat**** insane" over this? So many strawmen, so little time.

X Factor said:

If it's hypocritical to support the military members of my nation over the Taliban, then fine, call me a hypocrite.

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LOL, she wasn't advocating that anyone NOT support the military over the Taliban. So many strawmen, so little time.

bicycleman said:

Then you must think it equally disgusting when Somalians dragged the naked and battered bodies of American soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu.

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So when someone expresses disapproval of something American Marines have done, they must add disclaimer saying they disapprove of all other violent actions in the world. So many red herrings, so little time.

apdst said:

What unit did you serve in? You must have served in battle, since you feel like you can be so judgemental.

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What classroom did you teach? What decade did you serve as President of the United States? What day have you ever been a woman? What year did you join the Taliban?

You must have been a teacher, a President, a woman and a member of al Qaeda if you think that you can judge educators, Obama, women who have abortions or members of the Taliban. So much nonsense, so little time.

When I first saw hillary on the nightly news condemning these marines I went off the rails and reading some of the post on this subject is making my blood pressure go up so this is my last post on the subject and I won't read anymore either. I am heartened though by those in here that are defending these guys, thank you.