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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

Boeing gives illegal orders?
 
Their first mistake was trying to win this war through diplomacy...


I dont condone what these soldiers are ACUSED of, but i have not been through the horrors of war either. If doing something like this makes it easier for these hero's to do their jobs and release their rage, then i say so be it. We are all sitting back in our comfortable chairs, judging from a position of superiority, based on emotions and experiences that most of us have never, and will never experience. Under normal circumstances, what they did is taboo, but perhaps in their situation, some of us would do the same. Maybe this is their way of saying, "this is what you get for killing my friend, or my brother in arms". Its not fair for us to act like we are morally superior when we cant understand things from their perspective.

As i said ... they disobeyed orders and no one was trying to win the war through diplomacy. General Peteraus and McChrystal had a very complex and strategic plan and orders.

Another side note ... I am not really sitting in a comfortable chair judging ... I have worked front line delivery of acute medical care for almost 20 years. If one cannot get their emotions (especially immature and dangerous ones) under control then they must face the consequences of endangering troops, pissing on billions that undermined a mission of Petreaus and McChrystal and decided to emulate the low ground we are supposedly condemning by our presence.

Shame on them ... and anyone that excuses the danger in which they put our troops on the ground, disobeyed orders, pissed on billions of Americans hardworking money, helped recruit and promote terrorism, took the low moral ground , brought into question if those men lying dead were indeed a threat to anyone ...well they must face the consequences.
 
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As i said ... they disobeyed orders and no one was trying to win the war through diplomacy. General Peteraus and McChrystal had a very complex and strategic plan and orders.

Another side note ... I am not really sitting in a comfortable chair judging ... I have worked front line delivery of acute medical care for almost 20 years. If one cannot get their emotions (especially immature and dangerous ones) under control then they must face the consequences of endangering troops, pissing on billions that undermined a mission of Petreaus and McChrystal and decided to emulate the low ground we are supposedly condemning by our presence.

Shame on them ... and anyone that excuses the danger in which they put our troops on the ground, disobeyed orders, pissed on billions of Americans hardworking money, helped recruit and promote terrorism, took the low moral ground , brought into question if those men lying dead were indeed a threat to anyone ...well they must face the consequences.

They will be forced to watch this video. . .

Alleke's Potty Training Video - YouTube
 
I have witnessed change of commands in a combat zone where one unit put in a lot of effort to improve the relationship with the
citizens of a certain town and succeeded only to have the next unit come in and treat that town like crap leading to the town
turning hostile towards our troops. This peeing on and/or defiling corpses is not a necessary part of the mission and does make a
difference in how the locals see us.
I am certainly against being so touchy-feely that it endangers our soldiers and prevents mission accomplishment, but this is
something else entirely.
 
As i said ... they disobeyed orders and no one was trying to win the war through diplomacy. General Peteraus and McChrystal had a very complex and strategic plan and orders.

Another side note ... I am not really sitting in a comfortable chair judging ... I have worked front line delivery of acute medical care for almost 20 years. If one cannot get their emotions (especially immature and dangerous ones) under control then they must face the consequences of endangering troops, pissing on billions that undermined a mission of Petreaus and McChrystal and decided to emulate the low ground we are supposedly condemning by our presence.

Shame on them ... and anyone that excuses the danger in which they put our troops on the ground, disobeyed orders, pissed on billions of Americans hardworking money, helped recruit and promote terrorism, took the low moral ground , brought into question if those men lying dead were indeed a threat to anyone ...well they must face the consequences.

I dont know how many times you can say "pissed on billions" but i think we get the point. To say that what they did has ruined the entire war effort up to this point is unfounded. So you have given medical care during live combat? My hats off to you. I dont think that equals the stresses snipers go through though. As i said before, im not saying what they did was ok, what im saying is stop your judging, i dont care how comfortable your chair is. They didnt help recruit or promote terrorism. Thats like saying every American baby that is born is helping recruit and promote terrorism because they want all of us dead. There is not much we can do that wont piss them off. If we start living in terror of angering the terrorists, then they win.
 
I know, poor taliban, whom that asshole biden says "isn't our enemy".... These savages, behead, torture, maim our soldiers and you want these soldiers brought to "justice"?

What "justice" should be metered out. I can see article 15's but that's it.


None of those under me would have done this, but to act all pc about it, to me seems, naive at best.


“There were young knights among them who had never been present at a stricken field. Some could not look upon it and some could not speak and they held themselves apart from the others who were cutting down the prisoners at My Lord’s orders, for the prisoners were a body too numerous to be guarded by those of us who were left. Then Jean de Rye, an aged knight of Burgundy who had been sore wounded in the battle, rode up to the group of young knights and said: ‘Are ye maidens with your downcast eyes? Look well upon it. See all of it. Close your eyes to nothing. For a battle is fought to be won. And it is this that happens if you lose.”
- Froissart’s Chronicles, 14th century

Holy ****ing straw man! Why not argue against what peopel are actually saying?
 
Never claimed that. Targeting civillians is a war crime, pissing on the dead pales in comparison. Now if there are civillians in a building by choice who do not egress the building when the enemy is firing upon us, like will munny said in the unforgiven.... "should of armed himself".....


Will you be shooting another strawman or can we try a serious discussion here?

His argument is apparently going over your head. Here, try this one: our soldiers are responsible for their actions. The Taliban is a horrible group who does horrible things. Our soldiers don't do horrible things. However, this action was incredibly unprofessional and does create a diplomatic issue, and that can and should be condemned. Is it as bad as the things the Taliban does? Of course not. That does not mean it wasn't bad.
 
Tell me, Tell me, what should happen to these Marines?

I would give them 60/60 + RiR. 60 days of half pay, 60 days extra duty, reduction in rank. You don't do stupid **** like this, and when you get caught, you get your dick slammed in the dirt.
 
His argument is apparently going over your head. Here, try this one: our soldiers are responsible for their actions. The Taliban is a horrible group who does horrible things. Our soldiers don't do horrible things. However, this action was incredibly unprofessional and does create a diplomatic issue, and that can and should be condemned. Is it as bad as the things the Taliban does? Of course not. That does not mean it wasn't bad.



You should read the whole thread and not cherry pick the things you think you can argue with me on., That wasn't btw my friend, his argument. Look at what haymarket and I are saying, sounds just like what you are saying. ;)
 
Here, try this one: our soldiers are responsible for their actions. The Taliban is a horrible group who does horrible things. Our soldiers don't do horrible things. However, this action was incredibly unprofessional and does create a diplomatic issue, and that can and should be condemned. Is it as bad as the things the Taliban does? Of course not. That does not mean it wasn't bad.
That sums up my views on this issue.
 
Since SecDef had to personally call Karzai and apologize, I think these soldiers know that their days in the military are number.
 
You should read the whole thread and not cherry pick the things you think you can argue with me on., That wasn't btw my friend, his argument. Look at what haymarket and I are saying, sounds just like what you are saying. ;)

Actually, that was his argument. You just did not understand it.
 
From the Halls of Montezuma,
To the shores of Tripoli;
We piss on our nations enemies
In the air, on land, and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our skivvies clean:
Do not mess around with America
Or you'll become our latrine.

:mrgreen:
 
I haven’t looked through the 67 pages but my take is, until you have been trained to the level that US Marines and other nation’s combat troops, it is very difficult to judge their actions. For a soldier to be able to carry out the 'kill' he has to be so desensitized towards his enemy to such an extent that they are seen, as not even being human. The alternative would be a considerable amount of soldiers not carrying out their job. This is not something I expect many to really understand.

Paul
 
I haven’t looked through the 67 pages but my take is, until you have been trained to the level that US Marines and other nation’s combat troops, it is very difficult to judge their actions. For a soldier to be able to carry out the 'kill' he has to be so desensitized towards his enemy to such an extent that they are seen, as not even being human. The alternative would be a considerable amount of soldiers not carrying out their job. This is not something I expect many to really understand.

Paul

Actually, this explains quite a bit for me. Thank you.

Good ole human psychology, its a sucky thing sometimes, but if people have to get in that mindset, then it is what it is, even if its not good objectively :(
 
Seems weird, eh? On one side, people kill, slaughter, maim and torture, which is all nice and fine and part of the job, but people suddenly make a fuss about them pissing on dead bodies which don't feel anything anymore either. It's really a weird world.
 
I would give them 60/60 + RiR. 60 days of half pay, 60 days extra duty, reduction in rank. You don't do stupid **** like this, and when you get caught, you get your dick slammed in the dirt.
That's about right - problem is these guys are going to be cruicified not only by the Marines, but by the media and everyone else. People forget these are adrenaline pumped kids for the most part... kids do stupid **** - the stupidest being they recorded it. All time dumb.
 
I haven’t looked through the 67 pages but my take is, until you have been trained to the level that US Marines and other nation’s combat troops, it is very difficult to judge their actions. For a soldier to be able to carry out the 'kill' he has to be so desensitized towards his enemy to such an extent that they are seen, as not even being human. The alternative would be a considerable amount of soldiers not carrying out their job. This is not something I expect many to really understand.

Paul



Exactly......
 
Marines urinated on some dead Taliban.Can't say I am outraged. If I was standing over some dead terrorist I would be probably do a lot worse than piss on them. People find the stupidest things to be outraged about.

Whiney lib says "Oh no my ***** hurt because some marines pissed on a dead terrorist, oh the humanity! They were so nice to their prisoners and treated their captives with the utmost respect.Now they will resort to cutting off their captives heads and planting road side bombs"

Such silliness. Fine, you have no human instincts or decency. OK. Will I lose sleep over this? No. Do I think any terrible thing anyone has doen is OK? Again, NO. But it says something about a human being who thinks this is an approproiate response. Or who would not only do such silliness, but try to explain it away by saying someone else is either worse or a ***** to be a bit saddened by this.

Anyway, carry on. As it there is no human behavior we should ever be shocked or distrubed by, . . . I mean . . . if someone on our side does it.
 
Meh....

Personally, think Colonel West nailed the response to this "scandal." The punishment is proportional.

“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

Think only think I would add if I were these guys' boss, if you're gonna do stupid sh!t like that, don't video tape it and put on the net! Dumbasses.
 
Such silliness. Fine, you have no human instincts or decency. OK. Will I lose sleep over this? No. Do I think any terrible thing anyone has doen is OK? Again, NO. But it says something about a human being who thinks this is an approproiate response. Or who would not only do such silliness, but try to explain it away by saying someone else is either worse or a ***** to be a bit saddened by this.

Anyway, carry on. As it there is no human behavior we should ever be shocked or distrubed by, . . . I mean . . . if someone on our side does it.

I never said it was an appropriate response. I just said it was no big deal.If I was in their shoes I probably would have done a lot worse than piss on them. People need to quit getting their ******s hurt because of what some marines in a war zone did to some DEAD terrorists. This kind of **** doesn't warrant media attention.Its just a bunch of cry baby ***** girly men whining over nothing and trying to find something to be offended about.So what if some dead terrorists got peed on. IF the marines were harvesting some organs or pulling out the finger nails of terrorist that are alive then that would be a big deal.
 
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