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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

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I'll say the basically same thing here as I did on the other thread.

First, the behavior was unprofessional and all involved, including the platoon leader, should be appropriately disciplined. I'll add that I agree with YourStar, anyone stupid enough to be videoed... in uniform... behaving this way deserves to have a permanent reprimand in his jacket.

Second, this is a minor incident involving dead enemies which although inappropriate, does not deserve the amount of hysterical media coverage it's getting. A lapse in judgement by marines who have been in a war environment for a long time, and understandably have some hostility toward those who have killed their fellow soldiers and tried to kill them.

Chill out, peeps. It's not a video of marines cutting the fingers off a screaming prisoner. They peed on a corpse. They would have insulted Islam more by simply wiping their feet on them.

Move along, nothing to see here.
 
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SgtRock said:
The Taliban is responsible for some of the most agregious atrocities ever commited. Blowing up schools full of school girls because they don't believe women should be educated. Murdering 8 small boys, gunning them domn for laughing as they passed. Beating and torturing the children of Afghanis who cooperate with Americans. Mutilating torturing and beating women for appearing in public without a male relative or for what ever reason them see fit. And our Marines are animals for pissing on the corpses of these evil SOB's. Give me a break. I could go on listing intentional atrocities commited by the Taliban all night.
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I'm not a real fan of their values either. OTOH, they feel pretty much the same way about our values, and they aren't bombing our neighborhoods.
 
The Taliban is responsible for some of the most agregious atrocities ever commited. Blowing up schools full of school girls because they don't believe women should be educated. Murdering 8 small boys, gunning them down for laughing as they passed. Beating and torturing the children of Afghanis who cooperate with Americans. Mutilating torturing and beating women for appearing in public without a male relative or for what ever reason them see fit. And our Marines are animals for pissing on the corpses of these evil SOB's. Give me a break. I could go on listing intentional atrocities commited by the Taliban all night.
 
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AdamT said:
Would you feel the same way if it was the Taliban pissing on our dead soldiers?
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I think I'm more bothered by the fact that they cut the heads off our dead soldiers... and the occasional live one... then drag their bodies naked through the streets or hang them from an overpass. I think the soldiers' families would agree with me. Don't manufacture outrage about something that adolescent males have been doing to other adolescent males since frat houses were invented.
 
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DiAnna said:
I think I'm more bothered by the fact that they cut the heads off our dead soldiers... an the occasional live one... they drag their bodies naked through the streets. I think the soldiers' families would agree with me.
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Obviously that is even more disgusting and unacceptable, though I think it's probably about as common as our guys pissing on their corpses. Two wrongs....
 
Twice I had to scroll up to the thread title to be sure I was on the right thread. Man, when a train gets a full head of steam, when it derails, it DERAILS!

Thanks Redress for getting it back on track.
 
SgtRock said:
The Taliban is responsible for some of the most agregious atrocities ever commited. Blowing up schools full of school girls because they don't believe women should be educated. Murdering 8 small boys, gunning them down for laughing as they passed. Beating and torturing the children of Afghanis who cooperate with Americans. Mutilating torturing and beating women for appearing in public without a male relative or for what ever reason them see fit. And our Marines are animals for pissing on the corpses of these evil SOB's. Give me a break. I could go on listing intentional atrocities commited by the Taliban all night.
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THAT'S what I'm talkin' about! Where's the outrage there? Not saying two wrongs make a right. Just sayin'.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I would love to meet you in person:gunsmilie
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Hey now, that's uncomfortably close to a threat. Matt may have an opinion you find untenable, I don't agree with him either, but the answer is to argue with him and rationally defend your position, not make thinly veiled...ah...suggestions.
 
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on the list of things that bother me, this rates right below people who put bubble gum underneath public school desks.
 
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AdamT said:
I'm not a real fan of their values either. OTOH, they feel pretty much the same way about our values, and they aren't bombing our neighborhoods.
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Their values? values? what are you talking about. Did you forget why we entered this war to begin with? You seem to think we are talking about your run of the mill pick pockets here. The Taliban have the value system of a serial killer. Sometimes I don't know why I bother with you people. btw, the WTC was in one of our neighborhoods, and the Taliban supported the animals who were responsible for that bombing. So yes, in a indirect way they did bomb our neighborhoods.


Let me ask you something, why are you making excuses for the Taliban?
 
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SgtRock said:
The Taliban is responsible for some of the most agregious atrocities ever commited. Blowing up schools full of school girls because they don't believe women should be educated. Murdering 8 small boys, gunning them down for laughing as they passed. Beating and torturing the children of Afghanis who cooperate with Americans. Mutilating torturing and beating women for appearing in public without a male relative or for what ever reason them see fit. And our Marines are animals for pissing on the corpses of these evil SOB's. Give me a break. I could go on listing intentional atrocities commited by the Taliban all night.
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I think what bothers me about it is, although I understand the emotion behind this action, I just think we should stay ABOVE what the Taliban represents. Peeing on dead bodies is something they would do. Not something our soldiers do. But again, I understand completely WHY they did what they did. For whatever reason. However, they represent all the marines...all the military. What they did made it look bad on all military personnel. Understandably or not.
 
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AdamT said:
Obviously that is even more disgusting and unacceptable, though I think it's probably about as common as our guys pissing on their corpses. Two wrongs....
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two wrongs, its apples and oranges. no comparison
 
In other words...those who kill monsters should be careful not to become monsters themselves.
 
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SgtRock said:
Their values? values? what are you talking about. Did you forget why we entered this war to begin with? You seem to think we are talking about your run of the mill pick pockets here. The Taliban have the value system of a serial killer. Sometimes I don't know why I bother with you people. btw, the WTC was in one of our neighborhoods, and the Taliban supported the animals who were responsible for that bombing. So yes, in a indirect way they did bomb our neighborhoods.
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Yeah, values. Very traditional. We weren't so choosy about them when we were paying them to fight the Russians, were we?

How long ago was it that we didn't allow women to vote, or work, or drive? How long ago was it that we enslaved another race and treated them like chattel? Get off your high horse.
 
I know two wrongs don't make a right. But you cannot compare what our Marines did here to what the Taliban our responsible for. People seem to forget who the hell we are talking about. These are some evil SOB's who do not blink an eye nor shead a tear at the murderous atrocities they commit. No comparrison what so ever. Why do we not hear the media outrage when the Taliban blows up a girls school?
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Latest big scandal is soldiers pissing on dead Taliban, since when has war become so PC? These guys have seen their buddys killed and horribly wounded by Taliban and a little celebrating when they kill some of them is no big deal indeed most wars see far worse. Hillary is all shook up over this and said they will be held accountable which is infuriating. Why is it OK to shoot, bomb, stab, incinerate or whatever it takes to kill the enemy but then you have to be respectful of their corpse. Stand by her cheating man Hillary has alot of nerve saying squat to these brave soldiers and should shut her ****** mouth! END RANT
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This from people who got their panties in a wad over what happened to Gaddafi's body...

So to recap, peeing on Taliban is OK and Hilary Clinton sucks. Ass-raping Gaddafi is not OK, and is Obama's fault.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Why is it OK to shoot, bomb, stab, incinerate or whatever it takes to kill the enemy but then you have to be respectful of their corpse.
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I don't really see the incident as that big of a deal, but I wanted to point out that this particular line of reasoning is illogical and very dangerous. It also is often used in the form of "if it is ok to kill them, why isn't it ok to rape them?" It has been used, many times, to justify any atrocity that is short of killing a person- slavery, torture, etc.

It doesn't really make sense. It relies on the assumption that somehow wars create like a "no morals zone" and that is why it is ok to kill. That isn't the case. Killing them is only ok when it serves a purpose- when the advantages to the world as a whole substantially outweigh the loss of life. That is what makes it morally acceptable to kill sometimes in war- the extraordinary situation where it is substantially outweighed by even more grave concerns. That is never the case with rape, torture, slavery, etc. They serve no purpose, so doing those things in war is no more morally acceptable than it would be to do those things in peacetime. There is no more extraordinary, overriding, necessity to do those things in war any more than there is in day to day peacetime life, so they are no better just because they are done during a war.
 
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AdamT said:
Yeah, values. Very traditional. We weren't so choosy about them when we were paying them to fight the Russians, were we?

How long ago was it that we didn't allow women to vote, or work, or drive? How long ago was it that we enslaved another race and treated them like chattel? Get off your high horse.
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Oh I see, you are going to compare the right to vote to murdering school girls because you don't think women should be educated. I am staying on my high horse. It gives an advantage, I can see my enemy and people who support them like you.
 
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Blue_State said:
They do. And drag their bodies in the streets. We get outraged.
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Which we should.

Look, among the people who are horrified and pissed off about this is our buddy Karzai. What Clinton said is called diplomacy, which last I checked is HER JOB.
 
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SgtRock said:
Oh I see, you are going to compare the right to vote to murdering school girls because you don't think women should be educated. I am staying on my high horse. It gives an advantage, I can see my enemy and people who support them like you.
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No, I'd say that slavery is probably a better analogy for that.
 
VanceMack said:
Sounds to me like you are hearing what you want to hear. I posed a direct question...how many that are outraged have served.

And you dont think thats just a REALLY stupid defense of your partisan hack stand? You dont hold democrats to a higher standard because somewhere someone in their family tree must have served???? Seriously???
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Yes, I am partisan and you are Switzerland.
 
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I am going to go out on a limb here.

I don't think Adam is a Taliban supporter.
 
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