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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

ThePlayDrive said:
Yes it is human. That's a fact.
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It's not a fact, that's your opinion.

ThePlayDrive said:
And yes, I am pro-choice and anti-urinating on dead bodies. I am not, however, pro-ending unborn children's lives. None of this is noteworthy.
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You're conflicted, pro-choice but not pro-ending unborn childrens lives.... :?:


ThePlayDrive said:
Sure, mission accomplished. The problem is that it's not a mission I support.
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Fr it or against it, it was effective, as I'm sure you'll agree.


ThePlayDrive said:
As for why, I'll just repeat what I said to Wake: I think there's value in being better than the opposition. There's also value in not representing your country poorly. There's also value in not pissing off terrorists even more so that they'll have another video to ouse to recruit more terrorists who eventually kill you or other Americans.
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What value is it exactly?

First, I'm surprised you think the Taliban are terrorists.... and if that's the case, I personally would want to enrage terrorists more such that those terrorists are identified and killed, wherever they may be. I see the value of pissing on terrorists and believe such a recruitment tool is a GOOD thing as more terrorists are identified and removed from the available gene pool on this planet.
 
StillBallin75 said:
If I were a politician, I wouldn't even want to touch this, to be honest. I predict most politicians' responses - if they have one at all - would fall somewhere along the (noncontroversial) lines of "The behavior of these Marines does not represent the Corps as a whole, the matter is being investigated" something like that.
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I agree, but I wonder how our muslim president will handle this.

If he is smart, he will shut up. Ya, like that is going to happen.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I'm not outraged either. I also don't have sympathy for the Taliban. None of that has anything to do with what I said.


I'd rather not get banned from this thread.
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Then what are you saying? You're not outraged, and you have no sympathy for the Taliban. I feel the same way in that regard. This is what I was responding to:

1. In the big picture, I would agree that we are 'better'. However, in this specific instance, these specific Marines did something gratuitous and arrogant that the Taliban would do. Consequently, in this specific moment, no they aren't better.
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I guess, in hindsight, I can reason with that. TheNextEra brought in a post about the moral/honor code of the soldier, so I can understand that. While the soldiers did something that would normally be considered wrong and vile, I find it to be justified, since the people being peed on are murderers. I have no empathy for those dead.

You won't get banned from this thread if you're able to be logical and civil.
 
a777pilot said:
I agree, but I wonder how our muslim president will handle this.

If he is smart, he will shut up. Ya, like that is going to happen.
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If you're serious, all credibility has been lost.
 
a777pilot said:
I agree, but I wonder how our muslim president will handle this.

If he is smart, he will shut up. Ya, like that is going to happen.
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Actually, the Administration at this point is pretty much engaged in full "damage control" mode, which is the expected response. Panetta and Clinton for instance are reassuring Karzai that there will be an investigation in order to salvage what little is left of the peace negotiation process and our relationship with the Afghan government.
 
a777pilot said:
I agree, but I wonder how our muslim president will handle this.

If he is smart, he will shut up. Ya, like that is going to happen.
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We don't have a Muslim President.
 
a777pilot said:
I agree, but I wonder how our muslim president will handle this.

If he is smart, he will shut up. Ya, like that is going to happen.
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I'm typically a social conservative, but I see no objective data that Obama is a Muslim.

...or a socialist.
...or a corporatist.
...or a fascist.
...or a communist.
...or a Kenyan.
...or the Anti-Christ.

Got data?

Even if he were a Muslim president, so what? Presidents can only be Christian or Atheist?
 
Wake said:
Really, CT?

How about the terrorist attacks in Pakistan alone?
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Yes and no, the group that committed the atrocities in Mumbai was Lashkar-e-Taiba, a group linked to the Taliban but are not themselves Taliban per se. However, they are also one of the groups that our troops are fighting in Afghanistan.
 
Wake said:
I'm typically a social conservative, but I see no objective data that Obama is a Muslim.

...or a socialist.
...or a corporatist.
...or a fascist.
...or a communist.
...or a Kenyan.
...or the Anti-Christ.

Got data?

Even if he were a Muslim president, so what? Presidents can only be Christian or Atheist?
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Ethnically, he's part Kenyan :)

Dude has an ugly jumpshot though.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Yes and no, the group that committed the atrocities in Mumbai was Lashkar-e-Taiba, a group linked to the Taliban but are not themselves Taliban per se. However, they are also one of the groups that our troops are fighting in Afghanistan.
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After the attacks of September 11, 2001 the Taliban were overthrown by Operation Enduring Freedom. Later it regrouped as an insurgency movement to fight the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (established in late 2001) and the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF).[28] They use terrorism as a specific tactic to further their ideological and political goals.[29] According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 75% of civilian casualties in 2010 and 80% in 2011.[30][31][32] Today the Taliban operate in Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan. It is believed one of their current major headquarters is near Quetta in Pakistan.[33][34]
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Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I don't see any evidence of urination. . . though it blurs "the area of activity" the body on teh ground is still visible and does not appear to be wet at all. No puddling on the ground - no visible urine stream. I see no evidence of anything - perhaps they have access to a better quality video or something?
 
Ockham said:
It's not a fact, that's your opinion.
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No, it's actually a fact. A human being is a member of the species homo sapiens.

You're conflicted, pro-choice but not pro-ending unborn childrens lives.... :?:
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That's not a conflict. Pro-choice is not same thing as supporting abortion.

Fr it or against it, it was effective, as I'm sure you'll agree.
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Effective at what. It's not that hard to piss.

What value is it exactly?
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I'm not talking about "a" value. I'm talking about value in the general sense of the word.

First, I'm surprised you think the Taliban are terrorists.... and if that's the case, I personally would want to enrage terrorists more such that those terrorists are identified and killed, wherever they may be.
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Wanting to enrage terrorists is a purely emotional reaction that could possibly endanger soldiers and all Americans even more. I'm not interested in that.

I see the value of pissing on terrorists and believe such a recruitment tool is a GOOD thing as more terrorists are identified and removed from the available gene pool on this planet.
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Such videos don't make it easier for us to identify terrorists. It just makes it easier for some people to become terrorists.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those "I feel empathy with the dead Taliban" types (although I do believe that understanding the enemy's motivations is a key to defeating them - not all Taliban are the same, some are ideologically driven, some have suffered personal loss due to the war, some have family ties, some are simply being paid to fight).

I do believe however, as I've repeated a couple of times, that the behavior of these Marines is out of line with their Core Values. As someone who highly respects the military and is considering joining, it's a bit like finding out one of your sports idols is kind of a douchebag.
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Yes, SB, they're human (just as those Taliban members you're intent on understanding). Probably a good thing to know before you join.
 
X Factor said:
Yes, SB, they're human (just as those Taliban members you're intent on understanding). Probably a good thing to know before you join.
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They are human. And understanding is not the same thing as approving or sympathizing.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I don't see any evidence of urination. . . though it blurs "the area of activity" the body on teh ground is still visible and does not appear to be wet at all. No puddling on the ground - no visible urine stream. I see no evidence of anything - perhaps they have access to a better quality video or something?
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This is a good point. I remember when Fort Hood was shot up, we were told not to rush to judgment, oh but this, well the quicker the condemnation the better, I guess.
 
X Factor said:
This is a good point. I remember when Fort Hood was shot up, we were told not to rush to judgment, oh but this, well the quicker the condemnation the better, I guess.
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That's actually a good point.

US Marines ALLEGEDLY urinate on dead Taliban
Casey Anthony ALLEGEDLY kills her own daughter

I suppose it's human nature to rush to judgment anyway.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
I don't see any evidence of urination. . . though it blurs "the area of activity" the body on teh ground is still visible and does not appear to be wet at all. No puddling on the ground - no visible urine stream. I see no evidence of anything - perhaps they have access to a better quality video or something?
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I saw the unedited video. They do piss on them. If you would like, I could send you a link to an unedited version. Just send me a PM.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
No, it's actually a fact. A human being is a member of the species homo sapiens.
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As a genus, not as an individual, which is what we're talking about.


ThePlayDrive said:
That's not a conflict. Pro-choice is not same thing as supporting abortion.
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Yes, I'm pro-urination but I don't support urination.


ThePlayDrive said:
Effective at what. It's not that hard to piss.
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Effective as an action - did you not understand the act?


ThePlayDrive said:
I'm not talking about "a" value. I'm talking about value in the general sense of the word.
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So answer the question... what value "in the general sense of the word" is it exactly?


ThePlayDrive said:
Wanting to enrage terrorists is a purely emotional reaction that could possibly endanger soldiers and all Americans even more. I'm not interested in that.
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Not sure how your interest is involved here... how does it endanger our troops more?


ThePlayDrive said:
Such videos don't make it easier for us to identify terrorists.
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So you're saying it DOESN'T recruit more terrorists?
ThePlayDrive said:
It just makes it easier for some people to become terrorists.
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Makes it easier how? If it motivates someone who was on the fence, and now decides that this is the last straw, "I'm going to become a terrorist". Doesn't that then put that person in the way of American soldiers who then identify them as terrorists, and target them? Isn't that how we identify terrorists?
 
Would anyone be upset if that vid was of the Taliban pissing on dead marines? Would you (general you) "understand" the whys and wherefores but still think the Taliban should punish the men that did it? Or claim it's no worse than what they've done before?

Just curious.
 
Enola said:
Would anyone be upset if that vid was of the Taliban pissing on dead marines? Would you (general you) "understand" the whys and wherefores but still think the Taliban should punish the men that did it? Or claim it's no worse than what they've done before?

Just curious.
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If that were the case I'd try to cut in line to be the first to shoot those mofos.

And I imagine that's probably what our enemies think as well.
 
a777pilot said:
As a Marine, I could not agree more. I'm sure their SgtMaj had a very up close and personal counseling session with each and every one of these young Marines.

Now, I'm waiting for the politicians to get involved and blow this all out of proportion to what really happened.
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Exactly and that's been my position all along. The whining public at home with their knickers in a twist puts pressure on Washington and then every veteran knows, "excreta rolls downhill." Three or four good Marines are going to be in a world of hurt and get a lot more punishment than they deserve because the folks back home want to believe in John Wayne and want to believe that the Marines are basically like Boy Scouts with guns. Whatever is handled will be directed from Washington, because to paraphrase Jack Nickelson "civilians can't handle the truth". As such civilians rarely get the truth. This whole thing is perfect example.

The peeing incident is out of context. Making a video was dumb, making good Marines the target of an "investigation" and ****ing over American warriors by causing Washington to be involved is even dumber.
 
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